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Andy Hughes

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2006, 03:23:19 PM »
Err, the course looks stunning  ??? What gives?

Is that a function of the course, of Aidan's skill, some combo of the two, or my poor taste?
Has Aiden cherry-picked (certainly valid for what he does) or is the rest of the course has gorgeous?

(and is it just me, or do Pete Dye courses invariably look interesting in photos?)
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

Matt_Ward

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2006, 03:25:19 PM »
David:

You are not in "trouble" with me for pointing out that I favor the Sky course. However, I think people need to identify the specific course which clearly has more issues than the
other -- namely the Shadow 18 versus that of the Sky 18.

There have been folks who have simply panned Lost Canyons in its entirety and I think a number of elements have simply been broad brushed together.


Andy_Lipschultz

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2006, 03:32:50 PM »
There is presposterousness abound on both courses, though, on the Sky course, holes 11-15, 17 are very, very good. So, if you want to pay $110 (or around $75 for twilight) for those 6 holes....

There are some good holes on the Shadow, though I don't recall even two holes in a row that compare to the back 9 on Sky

The bad holes are due to the severity of the land. Wasn't a heck of a lot that could be done with it.

BTW, I am the person David M. refers to as opting to pay for Rustic than play for free at Lost Canyons.

Aidan Bradley

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2006, 04:07:23 PM »
Andy,

I only have 5 images from Lost Canyons. I simply chose my favorites.
They were shot on a very clear and blustery afternoon for a now defunct golf magazine. Here are the other 2 images.

Aidan.




TEPaul

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2006, 04:16:57 PM »
My GOD, those photos are incredible. What golf course is that? It must be the best architecture in the world. Who designed that course? Whoever did it must be the best golf course architect who ever lived. Those holes compared to the best holes MacKenzie ever did make Alister look like a panty-waist.

Bryan Izatt

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2006, 04:36:39 PM »
Yannick,

I played Lost Canyons Sky one time.  Somehow, I missed Rustic, so I can't be dragged into the debate of the relative merit of the two.  I found the Sky course to be challenging, entertaining, visually attractive, and fun to play.  All good.  But, it can be punishing and you will probably lose some balls, but that to me is just a trade off for the good.

The day I played, the wind howled which makes it doubly challenging. I suspect the wind howls much of the time there given its location.  And, yes, it is on a difficult piece of land that does not lend itself to walking.  And, yes, it could be a rough ride for a high handicapper (say, over 14), but it is some ride.

As an eastern Canadian flatlander, I find the mountain courses entertaining and different from what I'm used to.  I also don't understand the concept of giving it zero play if you're in the neighbourhood.  Not all the holes may be great, or even good, but it's well worth playing just for the experience of a different sort of course.  And, the visuals, the green complexes, and some of the holes make it a worthwhile experience in my opinion.  And, at around $100 it's not out of line with many US courses price wise.  Rustic, at $50 sounds like it is unusual, in my experience, as far as US prices go.  ;D

Here are some additional (non-professional) pictures.  How can anyone not like these holes, at least once?


The short uphill 1st.  Dead into the wind.  Hold on to your hat.



Somewhere around the 3rd or 4th.  A double dogleg par 5. Visually intimidating tee shot.  There are many places to lose balls, but it's no worse than having a lake on the inside of the dogleg.



Somewhere around the 11th.  An uphill semi-blind tee shot.  Not for the weak of heart.  Followed by this second shot.  Death to the right, bailout to the left; and what a backdrop!




The 17th, par 3.  Do you have the balls, literally and figuratively, to go for the back left pin?  Or, bail out to the right.  And, the green, irc, runs to the back and left.  No easy chip from the bailout.  


Andy Troeger

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2006, 05:38:37 PM »
I sure as heck would be willing to give the place a shot if I'm ever out in the area...looks pretty sweet from both sets of photos. Thanks for posting them!

John Goodman

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2006, 07:10:06 PM »
I just can't believe all that earth moving Dye did . . .  Those HUGE containment mounds have gotta be what, 600 feet high??  ;)

I would definitely go play at this place.  

Yannick Pilon

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2006, 08:39:28 PM »
Thanks for all the replies.

Sure seems like this course is controversial.  And where there is controversy, it can't be all that bad, right.

My main goal would definitely be to see and play Rustic Canyon at least once, maybe two or three times during this trip.  But if I could slip it in there, I sure would not mind taking a peak at Lost Canyons....  Does not look like the course would suit my (poor) game, but that cart ride must sure be quite spectacular if you only have an hour or two to see the courses... ;)

Aidan,

Keep those pictures coming! They are jaw-dropping!  Nice work.

Yannick
www.yannickpilongolf.com - Golf Course Architecture, Quebec, Canada

Ian Andrew

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2006, 09:28:30 PM »
Yannick,

Riviera, Rustic and Lost canyon would cover a lot of architectural ground. Sounds like a perfect trip to me.

You have to play or walk Riviera!!!!!!


Aidan,

Great photos - I enjoy all the photos you have shared when we talk about courses I don't know. They are helpful in getting a feel for the place. Thanks.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2006, 09:31:02 PM by Ian Andrew »

Yannick Pilon

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2006, 09:34:44 PM »
Ian,

How would you go about organizing a round or a walk at Riviera?

You can respond by e-mail if need be....

Thanks
www.yannickpilongolf.com - Golf Course Architecture, Quebec, Canada

Yannick Pilon

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2006, 09:36:30 PM »
Ian,

You read my mind.  I was also thinking of slipping by Bel-Air....  Must be even tougher to get on that course!  Lucky I would not be driving there with my Civic...
www.yannickpilongolf.com - Golf Course Architecture, Quebec, Canada

David Ober

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2006, 09:56:41 PM »
My GOD, those photos are incredible. What golf course is that? It must be the best architecture in the world. Who designed that course? Whoever did it must be the best golf course architect who ever lived. Those holes compared to the best holes MacKenzie ever did make Alister look like a panty-waist.

Wow. That may be the most sarcasm I have ever smelled in any post ever. Bravo.

David Ober

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2006, 09:58:05 PM »
Err, the course looks stunning  ??? What gives?

Is that a function of the course, of Aidan's skill, some combo of the two, or my poor taste?
Has Aiden cherry-picked (certainly valid for what he does) or is the rest of the course has gorgeous?

(and is it just me, or do Pete Dye courses invariably look interesting in photos?)

I agree. I'm actually looking forward to playing it one of these days. What is it with you guys that you get you panties in such a bunch over courses like this? I LOVED Rustic, but I have a feeling I will very much enjoy Lost Canyons -- or at least I'll enjoy many of the holes I've seen pictures of so far...

David Kelly

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2006, 12:07:55 AM »

 What is it with you guys that you get you panties in such a bunch over courses like this? I LOVED Rustic, but I have a feeling I will very much enjoy Lost Canyons -- or at least I'll enjoy many of the holes I've seen pictures of so far...

Why do you call it getting your panties in a bunch if someone honestly doesn't think the course is that good?

If you think you'd like it give it a try. I'm sure you won't have a problem getting a tee time.
"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent." - Judge Holden, Blood Meridian.

Andy Hughes

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2006, 09:33:48 AM »
Quote
I only have 5 images from Lost Canyons. I simply chose my favorites.
They were shot on a very clear and blustery afternoon for a now defunct golf magazine. Here are the other 2 images.
Aidan, beautiful pictures.  To echo others, always a pleasure to see your work, makes it easier to 'see' what others are saying.


"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

Matt_Ward

Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2006, 11:09:42 AM »
Yannick:

Keep in mind there's a major league separation in terms of design and quality between Sky & Shadow. I would play the former again but never the latter.

The finishing hole on the Shadow has to be one of the most inane holes I have ever played. If theme parks could have rides like that it would be a must see simply for the "thrills" it provides.

Matt Kardash

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Re:Pete Dye's Lost Canyons
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2006, 11:46:29 PM »
Wow, i'm probably the only one here who thinks this, but I think the bunkering at Lost Canyons is beautiful. I love Pete Dye's new style of bunkering where he raises the lips up high on his pot bunkers. It's so visually appealing to my eye. I would love to play the Sky course. Mind you, I don't trust whats this board has to say on Dye courses. He isn't in vogue right now with this board, it seems.
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