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Kyle Harris

Throw 'em a bone
« on: January 18, 2006, 10:12:31 AM »
"Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered."
-As related by Jim Cramer

I've always been a fan of throwing the conservative, pedantic and plodding golfer a bone here and there and let them earn an uninspired par. It especially works on a shortish-mid length par 5 (in the neighborhood of 500 yards).

I like the idea that just executing three simple shots and nailing two putts will give someone a par, but making the hole just wide enough and just short enough to lead to temptation.

The hole design below would be best suited for rolling terrain (even dunescape) since there are some rolling features around the green (including dunes over the back and a bunker cut in one of them to cover the approach from the right). The green itself has a deep swale running through the middle along the minor axis and is more accepting of a shot from the left side.

I am also a fan of bunkers gaurding a chipping area that lies along the ideal approach to the green. Any golfer going for the green in two is subject to the terrain around the green, whereas a more conservative golfer is given room to pluck easier shots from the landscape - earning a fairly benign par.

I give you all the Jim Cramer Hole:
« Last Edit: January 18, 2006, 10:23:51 AM by Kyle Harris »
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A_Clay_Man

Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2006, 10:22:23 AM »
Kyle, Attributing that quote to Jim Cramer is like giving credit to Asai Iaoki for inventing internal green countouring
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Kyle Harris

Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2006, 10:23:30 AM »
Adam,

With apologies then, I shall change it.  ;)

I'm new at this "investing" thing... cut me SOME slack. The market sure won't.  :P
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Michael Moore

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Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2006, 10:30:33 AM »
On behalf of the hundreds upon hundreds of pedantic golfers who are members of this board, I ask -

"Why are we lumped in with the conservative and the plodding"?
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Doug Braunsdorf

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Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 08:09:10 PM »
Kyle-

  Would the swale in the green be a symmetrical trench, a la Biarritz swale, or more asymmetrical, larger on one end, almost like a funnel?  
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"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction."

Kyle Harris

Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 08:10:50 PM »
Doug,

I was thinking a biarritz type swale or maybe even a thumbprint type thing. Though, to me, the biarritz swale would be a bit more equitable for an aggressive, hooking shot starting at the right greenside bunker.
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Doug Braunsdorf

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Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2006, 08:18:07 PM »
Kyle-

  What is your ideal for topography from 100 yards and in to the green?  Tumbling downhill gradually, like #6 at PSU-WC, or slightly built up, or even markedly built up?  

  Apart from 'gently rolling terrain', which, frankly, is to me a bit of a throwaway, what kinds of terrain do you think this hole would work well on?  
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"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction."

Kyle Harris

Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2006, 08:21:40 PM »
Hadn't really thought of it. That's why the fairways are blank in regard to contour. The only real requirements for terrain would be around the green.

On a flatter site, or maybe one with a lot of "general slope" like Rolling Green or Huntingdon Valley, I'd probably play with the angles and mowing contours a bit more. Less playfullness around the green, as well. I'd rather not forgo Mother Nature for the sake of a concept that owuldn't work. (Patience, like in playing, is paramount in architecture).

This whole premise was rooted in offsetting the greenside bunkers to defend the ideal "bail out" areas and using the green contour to make a traditional approach trickier.

A player taking the long way to the hole really doesn't contend with bunkers, but the minute he tries to play for angle, the bunkers come into play.
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Doug Braunsdorf

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Re:Throw 'em a bone
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2006, 08:29:22 PM »
How do you think this would work with some of your ideas for holes at tPSU-WC?  
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