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Paul Richards

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She'll play from the men's tees ...
« on: December 04, 2002, 06:05:45 AM »
Woman golfer to make history
Whaley decides to play in men's Hartford tourney

By Bruce Berlet
Hartford Courant

December 4, 2002


Making history and maybe a difference were too much for Suzy Whaley to pass up.

For Whaley, being a pioneer and inspiration far outweighed any embarrassment from the bad scores she might shoot.

 
In late July at the TPC at River Highlands in Cromwell, Conn., Whaley will walk to the tee for the opening round of the 52nd Greater Hartford Open as the first woman to qualify for a PGA Tour event.

Whaley, a club pro from Avon, Conn., will compete against defending champion Phil Mickelson, the world's No. 2-ranked player, and 154 other males.

"A lot of things and time went into the decision," Whaley said before a golf magazine cover shoot in Orlando. She was posing with five other women, including LPGA superstar Annika Sorenstam and Martha Burk, chairwoman of the National Council of Women's Organizations who is challenging Augusta National's exclusion of female members.

"I'm making history, and I think it's extremely special anytime you can say that," Whaley said. "I spoke to a lot of people who I respect, and they were all extremely supportive. I love golf, and this gives me an opportunity to play at a competitive level I've had the opportunity to play at before. I'm really looking forward to it. I think it's exciting."

Whaley, a 36-year-old mother of two, qualified for the GHO when she rallied to win the Connecticut Section PGA Championship on Sept. 17. She could have waited until a week before the July 24-27 GHO to make her decision. As it was, she said she wavered for weeks.

"It was a difficult decision initially because I was so caught up in performance that I was looking to plot a little on how exciting and how huge an opportunity it was," Whaley said. "But once I sat down and thought about it, talked to people I really respect and realized how much support I truly have, it was an easy decision.

"Being historic is important to me, but I think I'm more excited to go out and play, enjoy it and savor the moment. I don't think you get many moments that can compare to this."

Babe Didriksen Zaharias, an original member of the LPGA Hall of Fame, missed the cut in the 1938 Los Angeles Open, shooting 84-81. But she was invited to play, whereas Whaley earned her spot in competition. She will hit from the championship tees along with the rest of the field, playing a course that measures 6,820 yards.

"The course is a lot longer than I'm used to playing, but I'm just going to do the best I possibly can," Whaley said.

When she won the PGA Section Championship, she played at about 90 percent of the distance the men played, 6,143 yards to 6,843 yards the first 36 holes and 6,214 yards to 6,938 yards the final round. She shot 11-under-par 211 and won by two shots.

Whaley played four years at the University of North Carolina and was on the LPGA Tour in 1990 and 1993.

GHO tournament director Dan Baker called the decision "terrific."

"We anticipate tremendous media exposure because it's an international story," he said.




Breaking barriers

When Suzy Whaley tees off at the Greater Hartford Open next summer, she won't be the first woman to venture into an all-male sports world.

Shirley Muldowney and Janet Guthrie: The first women to venture into the world of auto racing. Muldowney was the first woman to win a National Hot Rod Association race (1976). Guthrie was the first woman to drive in an Indy 500 (1977) and the Daytona 500 (1977).

Diane Crump and Julie Krone: In 1970, Crump became the first woman jockey to ride in the Kentucky Derby. Krone retired in 1999 as the winningest female jockey in history.

Nancy Lieberman: Became the first woman to play in a men's professional basketball league when she joined the Springfield Fame of the USBL in 1986.

Manon Rheaume: Became the first woman in an NHL exhibition game when she played goalie for the Tampa Bay Lightning in 1992.

Ila Borders: The left-hander became the first woman to pitch in a men's college game when she took the mound for Southern California College in 1994, and the first to start in a minor-league game (1998).

Ashley Martin: When she kicked an extra point for Jacksonville State against Cumberland on Aug. 30, 2001, Martin became the first woman to play for a Division I football team.


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Chris_Clouser

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2002, 07:41:33 AM »
Rheaume actually played Minor League Hockey in Indianapolis for our local team the ICE.  I saw her play a couple of times.  There wasn't a noticeable difference between her and the other goalie the team had at the time.  At first many thought it was a publicity stunt to get her on the team, but she proved her worth.  

Not that much can be said for the latest ICE acquisition in the last few weeks, Manute Bol.  He retired before even taking to the rink because the laces of the skates hurt his feet.

 ::)
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Phil_the_Author

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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2002, 08:14:14 AM »
Imagine if by some miracle she wins. She would qualify for the Masters I believe. I wonder, would Martha still boycott? Would she pressure her NOT to play where she is pressuring to have women?

What a conundrum to root for!
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Dan Kelly

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2002, 08:39:53 AM »

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Not that much can be said for the latest ICE acquisition in the last few weeks, Manute Bol.  He retired before even taking to the rink because the laces of the skates hurt his feet.

 ::)

Chris --

For some reason, it seems I'll never forget this:

When Manute Bol was drafted by the Bullets, I was living in Washington and reading, religiously, The Washington Post.

Tony Kornheiser speculated (the next day, I think) about Bol's post-basketball prospects.

He guessed that when Bol retired, he'd become a speed bump.
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Scott_Burroughs

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2002, 09:11:09 AM »
Kornheiser and Philly's Jayson Stark are two of the best sports columnists I've ever read.  There need to be more of them.  I have a hunch that Mitch Albom in Detroit is good, too.

At least golf has Dan Jenkins and David Feherty.


Beside tending goal, Manon Rheaume is a knockout, too, not that that matters, right?
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Paul Richards

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2002, 05:09:47 AM »
Over/under on Mrs. Whaley breaking 90 (or all four!) rounds??
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul Richards

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2002, 05:52:53 AM »
Commentary in today's Chicago Tribune on the subject:


A BAD RULE LEADS TO 'HISTORY'


BY JEFF JACOBS
Jeff Jacobs is a sports columnist for the Hartford Courant

December 6, 2002


From the moment Suzy Whaley raised her arms to celebrate a victory that made her eligible to become the first woman to play in a PGA Tour event, there was no doubt the lure of history would be a powerful one.

After all, these are history-making times in the golf world, what with Martha Burk banging scalps with Hootie Johnson, the Archie of bunkers, over the all-male membership at Augusta National.

Whaley said she met Burk, the head of the National Council of Women's Organizations, for the first time this week. Now that she has made the decision to enter the Greater Hartford Open, Whaley is sure to meet many more famous people eager to--mistakenly--paint her as the next Jackie Robinson.

For any number of reasons, Whaley has gotten an easy ride of it since winning the 71st Connecticut Section PGA Championship in September.

Whaley is disarmingly charming and has followed the rules to the precipice of stardom. She has received some negative correspondence, but the majority urged her to play in the Greater Hartford Open. Support from the golf world, she said, has been overwhelming. Her family has urged her to play.

"We're so proud to have her as our champion," Connecticut Section PGA executive director Tom Hantke said. "She's a great player, a great mother and an exemplary golf professional."

A special guest at the annual meeting of the PGA of America five weeks ago in Philadelphia, Whaley received a standing ovation from the delegates.

"It was heartwarming," Whaley said.

But in the process of the growing national whirlwind, it's apparent some perspective may be lost. In the haste to yell, "You go, girl," we may end up--wink, wink--overlooking the competitive details of a spot absolutely ruled by competitive details. Any way you want to slice it, Whaley qualified by playing 90 percent of Ellington Ridge, site of the Connecticut section tournament. Her advantage from the tees as a woman did not make for a mockery, but there was some advantage.

She also followed the letter of the PGA of America rulebook and, thus, deserves to play in 2003.

What's disturbing is there appears to be no movement afoot to change the rules for 2004. In effect, whaley essentially qualified to run in the 26.2-mile Boston Marathon against the Kenyans with a 23-mile time.

Tournament regulations for PGA of America events are set by the national board of directors, Hantke said, and there are no changes in the wind.

"We did a study from all 41 sections subsequent and found there has been no woman member who has won any individual PGA member tournament of any kind, let alone a championship, since the regulation was put in place in 1994," Hantke said. "That's a great feat, and the purpose of the regulation is to encourage women professionals to play with their peers."

Whaley wants the rule to remain too.

The PGA Tour can choose not to extend an exemption to such qualifiers in the future, but the tour's feelings are evident by how thoroughly they have embraced Whaley.

It's fascinating. For Whaley to qualify for the PGA Championship, she would have to play from the same tees as the men through sectional, regional and, finally, national play in the PGA Club Professional Championship. Yet the same body stipulates that to get into Greater Hartford Open, she can play at a 90 percent distance.

At least she has to play from the championship tees in the GHO.

Maybe history is supposed to be written that competitive integrity doesn't matter. Maybe history is supposed to be written that women need a crutch. Maybe history is supposed to be written that the GHO isn't important enough in the golf world to make such an argument. But you won't find history being written that way in this space.

No matter how terrific a person Whaley is, no matter how "cool," in the words of Tiger Woods, it might be to have a woman play in the GHO, somebody needs to be brave enough to stand up and not let it happen again.

Whaley's husband, Bill, is director of golf at the TPC at River Highlands, Conn., and Suzy played from the championship tees twice in the last couple of months. Her scores?

"I'm not going to tell you," she answered.
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul Richards

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2002, 05:53:25 AM »
I guess it's a good thing Mr. Jacobs doesn't work for the NY Times ....

 :-X :-[ :-X
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul Richards

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2002, 05:54:46 AM »
Some telling quotes:

> Her advantage from the tees as a woman did not make for a mockery, but there was some advantage...

>In effect, Whaley essentially qualified to run in the 26.2-mile Boston Marathon against the Kenyans with a 23-mile time.

 ???
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

A_Clay_Man

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2002, 07:16:27 AM »
Tell me where I'm wrong.

A 7200 yd course with a par of 72 equates to 100 yds per shot. She played a 6800 yd. course and received a 10% discount thats almost 7 shots per dieum or about 25 shots over four days. She won by two. Now I do think it's great that anybody can qualify for this goofy game but 25 shots seems like a lot.

phil-- I felt the way you did about women playing in the masters but after arguing with Sheryl last night over the "issue" it is about membership at ANGC, to them. To me it's about restricted covenants and free assoc. and the mere fact that it is televised has little in my mind to do with anything but in their minds it's everything. Go figure.
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George Pazin

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2002, 09:20:39 AM »
One of my new favorite people in the world is Michelle Wie, the young phenom from Hawaii. She has tried & will continue to try to Monday qualify for The Sony Open from the same tees as the big boys. She also stated one of her dream goals is to play against Tiger straight up from the same tees. Nice to see not everyone is looking for adjustments in the name of equity.

I also read in a fairly recent Golf Magazine article that Louise Suggs (?) beat some other big name pros straight up in the late 40s or early 50s on a par 3 course tournament. The article stated at that time that the LPGA played from the same tees as men. Anyone know any history on this? When did the different tee switch occur?
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John_Conley

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2002, 09:59:42 AM »
Good point about the Big Wiesy.  Just making it clear - Suzy Whaley did not go out to qualify for the GHO from forward tees and never looked for any concession.  She will be playing under sponsor's exemption.

(Untold in the media is that the event has had trouble finding a sponsor and her participation almost ensures near-record interest for the event that falls perilously close to the Tour's biggest summer tournaments.)
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Craig Van Egmond

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2002, 10:17:33 AM »

A few years back when Fred Couples used to have a charity golf tourney in Seattle, Laurie Davies teed it up from the same tee's as the rest of them and couldn't break 80. This was a time when she was still playing well and was a long as some men. I hope Whaley does well but I wouldn't have high expectations.



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Paul Richards

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2002, 06:14:52 AM »
Dave:

I agree with your remarks regarding fairness.

John:

Your point is also very good.  If the tournament wasn't having a tough time raising money and selling tickets, would they bother to give a sponsor's exemption to Mrs. Whaley?
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

JakaB

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2002, 08:01:59 AM »
I was very happy to hear Mia Hamm is getting married to a professional baseball player....a step back for the muffification of women professional athletes.  I'm just not so sure how I feel about the equalization of standards among the sexes but I do know if given the choice...popping a Viagra hurts alot less than getting breast implants.  It will always be most vital to let women have what the want as long as you give them what they need.
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Paul Richards

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2002, 08:05:02 AM »
JakaB:

You NEVER fail to amaze me!

>popping a Viagra hurts alot less than getting breast implants

 :o :-[ :-X :-* 8) ;)
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

JohnV

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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2002, 08:20:06 AM »
Paul,

The GHO has always given a sponsor's exemption to the winner Connecticut PGA Section Championship.  Sure it probably helped them to raise money, but it wasn't done strictly for that reason as you implied.

Adam,

Taking 10% off each hole would probably allow Ms. Whaley to hit the same clubs into the green as the men were hitting.  On a 400 yarder, she probably hits her drive 25 yards shorter and the same iron 15 yards shorter which would make it fairly equal.  If you've watched the Wendy's event each year, they usually set the course up so that the men and women are hitting roughly the same club into each green, which seems to work.   Certainly if you took the same person playing a course that is 700 yards shorter your statement about playing a number of shots better would apply, but we are comparing peaches to bananas here. ;)

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A_Clay_Man

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2002, 08:49:44 AM »
JohnV- Your reasoning is illuminating and the methodology seems sound and I know I know the gentleman who came up with those differentials. His son caddies at Spy & I think the name is Fishman(?) 3 tour challenge? I wonder if they have changed the ratio since the first three tour challenge circa 85'(?)
Also,
Does every hole have to have the ability to play exactly 10% shorter?  and if not, do they build a new box?
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Tony Ristola

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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2002, 10:08:23 AM »
Wonder if she will have to wear pants?
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jim kennedy

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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2002, 10:32:10 AM »
The GHO had no trouble raising all the monies needed to ensure its place on the Tour's rota. Our governor pledged state monies but businesses and the Canon co., former sponsors, made that unnecessary.
The Ct. section of the PGA seems to have little problem with her entry. The Tour raises no objections to how she qualified. What agenda does it serve to make a big deal out of it?
Accept it for what it is and let's see the results.  
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Tony Ristola

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2002, 10:41:14 AM »
Jim:  This is the elite Tour for golf in the world.  It's not suposed to be a social experiment.  

She didn't play the same course. 700 yards shorter is a not an insignificant difference.  Guys would have shot 64 to qualify.

It's a farce.  If the Tour wanted to invite her...fine, but she competed (so they say) and earned her way into the tournament.  

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corey miller

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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2002, 10:43:47 AM »
There was an interesting situation in Virginia this year as a young lady won both the boys high school tournament playing from ladies tees and also the womens tournament.  Really do not understand why she would play from the forward tees against the boys when there was a seperate tournament for the ladies.
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JWL>

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2002, 01:02:51 PM »

Tony Ristola

I agree with you regarding making the golf tour as social experiment.
I just wonder what is going to happen when a struggling, young or older journeyman player that has been eliminated from playing ANY men's tour, decides that the only way he can make a living for his family is to qualify for the LPGA tour events.  IF women want equality, then how can they deny him the right to qualify?  If women can compete against men, then the opposite must hold true.  
It would difficult for a man to "stoop" to this level and he would have to put his pride behind his need to feed his family.
With the amount of $$ the women are playing for, if just ONE man decides to test these waters, then I believe several will follow suit.  IF that happens, this equality thing between men and women will suffer a severe setback.  It will be interesting to see how the courts can wiggle out of that one.  
This is not too far fetched, we are possibly heading toward this scenario, imho.  :-/
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jim kennedy

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2002, 01:53:15 PM »
Tony,
No one from the PGA, CPGA or Tour has expressed any negative thoughts about her playing. If this were a big issue to the people who matter, i.e.. those who actually work in this environment, that would be different. The only folks who are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill are those outside any of theses organizations.    
commentary that has been read into this originates from fear masquerading as reverse discrimination.
Let the woman play without wrapping the moment in useless, paranoid and inflammatory rhetoric   and see how she does.    
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jim kennedy

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2002, 02:00:06 PM »
Tony,
No one from the PGA, CPGA or Tour havs expressed any negativity about her playing. This is not a big issue to the people who matter, i.e.. those who actually work in this environment.
I have only seen negative comments coming from those outside of the aforementioned orgs.
Why not let the woman play without wrapping the moment in useless, paranoid and inflammatory rhetoric and let's just see how she does?
  
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