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peter_p

Armchair Architect Contest
« on: August 18, 2005, 10:16:03 PM »
Golf Magazine is running the annual arhitect contest in its September issue, right after the Top 100 pages. Thought it deserves a thread of its own. Can't find a link or I would provide same.

Simple enough, design a par five on single sheet of 8.5x11" paper and include a drawing of the hole and a brief explanation of the design.

Entries will be judges on the design merits of the hole and not the quality of the sketch. Mail entries to: Armchair Architect,
Golf Magazine, 2 Park Place, 10th Floor, NY, NY 10016. Deadline for entries os September 15, 2005.

The winner will accompany*Tom Doak on a four-day, all expenses paid trip to one of three design projects in either Scotland, Mexico or Montana.

*read the small print in the official rules.



ChipRoyce

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 11:03:09 AM »
There's an interesting nugget of info that I hadn't heard before.

Assuming the trip to Scotland is to accompany Tom to see one of *his* courses in development, I wasn't aware that he had a project planned or underway there.

Tom, anything you can share about your plans there?

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 12:34:13 PM »
Hate to be sarcastic, but I suspect the visit will be to a Montana project, and an average design from, say Helena, will magically be elevated to the winning spot, all so they can save travel expenses.........
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Stuart Hallett

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2005, 03:09:11 PM »
Jeff,

What if a European wins it ?

Don't tell me... that explains bonnie Scotland.

Oh well, it could be worse, malt whisky & great golf still sounds good to me.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 03:15:51 PM »
Stuart,

You can read between the lines! ;D
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

George Pazin

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 03:29:29 PM »
Ah, Jeff, I didn't think you were among the site cynics.

In all seriousness, does anyone really believe Tom or the folks at Golf Magazine would do such a thing, when the grand prize will amount to a few thousand dollars? I would sooner imagine Tom or the editor of Golf would call me personally - and, to be clear, I've never met Tom or spoken with him personally, other than on this site - and ask me for the $5,000 than pull such a stunt. I put the odds of that happening somewhere around the odds of me winning the lottery - and I don't play the lottery.

The one encouraging thing about the contest is that I read the fine print and didn't see anything about Doak butt boys being ineligible.

 :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 04:04:16 PM »
George,

Well, I am a bit cynical and combative today, aren't I?

Seriously, I recall of of the GD prize versions being a trip to an ASGCA meeting.  While the field was narrowed to the final two in total legit fashion, I did hear rumors that the lowest air fare was the factor that broke the tie.  Hence, my comments, but I hope I am way off base.  On the other hand, journalists are famous for being cheap, so I may not be too far off base! ::)

I may be wrong, but I don't think Tom is putting up a dime of this.......I suspect GM would foot the bill, and they called Tom because of his past relationship with them, and Tom agreed to do it, not knowing exactly when and where he might have projects going on at the time the winner is announced.

I can, however, picture Tom, while making a best effort to incorporate the winning design, he might use a phrase my old boss used in several greens committee meetings - "This is really Mr. Mucci's idea..... and we are going to implement it just the way he wants, only a little different.......
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tom_Doak

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2005, 04:16:13 PM »
Jeff:

We are under no stipulation to incorporate any of the winning design into any of our projects ... our clients are paying for OUR ideas.  But we will offer the winner a chance to talk out loud about whatever they see on site with us, the same we do with about anyone who comes for a tour.

I had to give GOLF a couple of options for the prize trip because I was unsure when it would be, and what would be happening in the field by then.  I don't think the airfare will have much to do with where someone gets to go.  And yes, the magazine is paying all the expenses with this one, not me.

The one thing they forgot to mention in the rules is to put your name somewhere besides the front of the one-page entry.  I'll have to recuse myself from judging the entries of people I know, so if anyone here wants to win, better be sure your entry is screened.

PS  The editors of GOLF Magazine are going to screen the entries and send what they consider the best of them to me.  I don't know if that will be five, or five hundred.  But don't blame me if you were rejected, because I may not ever have seen your entry.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2005, 04:30:24 PM »
Tom,

Well, I read the entry form, and they sure make it sound like a chance to build a real life golf hole with Tom Doak.  I didn't read the fine print, however, since I am not planning on entering.  However, I may change my mind on that.  If you get an entry from "Dat Effen, golf course architect" you'll know it was me!

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

George Pazin

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2005, 04:44:52 PM »
That's interesting. I only scanned both the entry form and the fine print (old habits die hard), but I never had the impression that they were going to build the hole.

Indeed, the contest is for a completely fictional, made up hole, ala the Lido Contest. It doesn't seem to be Tom's modus operandi to create holes out of nothing, unless given a blank slate like Lubbock. Even then, I am under the impression that they created landforms and then designed holes around them rather than vice cersa.

I'd be happy if I could find 4 days to spend with any architect on here.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

PjW

Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2005, 09:38:55 PM »
Sounds like a great opportunity to be a co-designer with Doak!!, ;D

David Sneddon

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2005, 09:16:03 AM »
I think the question is  "Is four days really enough time??"

Let's face it, if one of us won the competition, and some ideas and design were incorporated in Tom's new course, who amongst us wouldn't want a hand in the other 17 holes???

Somehow, I have a vision of the winner being dragged off the site after the four days, kicking and screaming "But I have so much more to do here!!!"
 ;D ;D ;D
Give my love to Mary and bury me in Dornoch

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2005, 09:40:09 AM »
That's interesting. I only scanned both the entry form and the fine print (old habits die hard), but I never had the impression that they were going to build the hole.

Indeed, the contest is for a completely fictional, made up hole, ala the Lido Contest. It doesn't seem to be Tom's modus operandi to create holes out of nothing, unless given a blank slate like Lubbock. Even then, I am under the impression that they created landforms and then designed holes around them rather than vice cersa.


George,

Like you, I didn't read it that hard.  Perhaps I subscribe only for the pictures!  I am sure they don't force Tom to build the hole, but four days worth of jawboning might cause headline something like "GCA runs over contest winner with big dozer."



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I'd be happy if I could find 4 days to spend with any architect on here.
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Yeah, it would be great to spend one of those on an airplane sleeping, one doing a contract, and another going through the expense tickets so you could bill the client.......Oh yeah, and then you get to the site on the scheduled day and it rains so much construction stops in favor of building an ark! ;D

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tom_Doak

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2005, 10:09:56 AM »
Jeff:

Some excellent ideas there; I will put the winner in charge of keeping track of everybody's expenses for those four days!

PThomas

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2005, 11:03:00 AM »
Jeff and Tom: re your last posts -- you architects always stick together..... ;)
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2005, 01:26:55 PM »
I didn't see any mention of how many times you could enter...

Am I blind, or does this mean you could enter more than one design?

Also, what would happen if you didn't put your real name on the entry... So Tom wouldn't have any internal conflicts?


Alex_Wyatt

Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2005, 02:43:11 PM »
Ran, if you are looking at this thread, perhaps we should have an annual contest among the posters on GCA.com, with the winners submissions being permanently posted on the site?That would be reward enough for me.

Steve Lang

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Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2005, 03:59:06 PM »
 8)

If you can't keep track of expenses, how can you make any money or more importantly keep from losing any?
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Jim Nugent

Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2005, 05:47:29 PM »
Golf Magazine is running the annual arhitect contest in its September issue, right after the Top 100 pages. Thought it deserves a thread of its own. Can't find a link or I would provide same.

Simple enough, design a par five on single sheet of 8.5x11" paper and include a drawing of the hole and a brief explanation of the design.

Entries will be judges on the design merits of the hole and not the quality of the sketch. Mail entries to: Armchair Architect,
Golf Magazine, 2 Park Place, 10th Floor, NY, NY 10016. Deadline for entries os September 15, 2005.

The winner will accompany*Tom Doak on a four-day, all expenses paid trip to one of three design projects in either Scotland, Mexico or Montana.

*read the small print in the official rules.


Any link or reference available to the rules?  Couldnīt find it on the web, and have a design Iīd like to submit.  

peter_p

Re:Armchair Architect Contest
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2005, 07:15:26 PM »
Jim,
Can't find a link. I think what I put down is sufficient. If not, find a copy of the September issue of Golf Magazine, page 93.