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Matt_Ward

The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« on: November 14, 2002, 07:59:07 PM »
If you're looking for the perfect gift for Xmas that gives you all the major and minor details on the legendary Charles Blair Macdonald than rush, DON'T WALK, to get the first rate effort by George Bahto that chronicles the great man's life and the works of art he created.

I got the book early for a media review and once you pick it up you simply keep turning page after page after page. It's totally engrossing and the marriage between photographs and narrative is well paced and clearly researched to the hilt.

The book is printed by Clock Tower Press -- formely Sleeping Bear Press, and although it prices out at $85, the details are so rich and fascinating they could choke a horse. Any golf library missing this book is one lacking indeed.

The narrative is straightforward and contains a wonderful array of sidebars that outline all of the different players of the period and for those on GCA who are fascinated by the "how and why" -- Bahto delivers no less than a Barry Bonds home run.

When you get a clear break down of the holes at NGLA and Yale you get more than you might otherwise. Just when you thought you may have heard it all or known it all -- Bahto goes one step beyond.

I know George is well respected by many and this book, in my opinion, gives the golfer who loves architecture a tour de force effort. It is a MOST read for anyone who wants to know more about golf's past and how the past plays such a major role among a number of contemporary designs today.

Well done George -- I believe the ole man himself would approve. ;)
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Gib_Papazian

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2002, 10:20:53 PM »
You simply cannot imagine how much love and effort went into that book. George is a genius, and studying at the feet of the master has been one of the most enriching experiences of my life.

We all owe a debt of gratitude to him for bringing a chronicle of the man who literally ramrodded the game into this nation. . . . and for reviving the memory of an obscure Princeton Engineer/Surveyor who carried the torch to every corner of America as his protege.

Some projects sort of go on for so long that it is hard to envision that one day when all the research and writing will come to fruition in the form of a book. Even after all these years, seeing all the rough copies and proofs, I cannot believe what a spectacular job Brett Marshall did in laying it out and bringing the "Evangelist of Golf" to the public.

The astonding thing is that there are two more sequels in the pipeline. . . . . all from a man who spent the better part of his life as the neighborhood dry cleaner in sleepy New Jersey hamlet.

Life is amazing sometimes.
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Craig_Rokke (Guest)

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2002, 10:28:45 PM »
I'm about 100 pages into it and highly recommend it!
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Mike_Cirba

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2002, 11:36:39 PM »
Matt;

Thanks for the preview!

I'm expecting my copy to arrive any day now, and if the mailman doesn't bring it soon I may have to go "postal" on him!!!   ;D
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Robert Kimball

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2002, 06:40:54 AM »
I am also having a "Pavlovian" reaction every
time I hear the mail truck!!  I pre-ordered through
Amazon, so they are usually pretty timely.  I guess
I am giving myself an "early Christmas present."   :D
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THuckaby2

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2002, 07:16:09 AM »
I'm with Mike and Rob - I too preordered this on amazon and I'm getting VERY antsy....

TH
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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2002, 02:01:42 PM »
The book indeed does look wonderful; I look forward to sitting down with it this weekend.

Congratulations George and Gib.
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Yancey_Beamer

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2002, 09:07:07 PM »
I ordered directly from Clock Tower Press.My book arrived today.Thank you George-at least a thousand times.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2002, 08:03:34 AM »

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We all owe a debt of gratitude to him for bringing a chronicle of the man who literally ramrodded the game into this nation. . . .

Gib --

Literally?

Yow!  :o

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THuckaby2

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2002, 07:57:35 AM »
Turns out I've bought so many books lately I forgot exactly whom I ordered this from... it was Clocktower and mine arrived Friday.  It is everything we hoped and great fun to see our familiar names in print.  I'm 1/3 into it and it is great reading indeed... I'd highly recommend it to one and all, even you heathens who prefer Shinnecock to National!   ;)

TH
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Matt_Ward

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2002, 08:21:27 AM »
Tom:

Count me as one of the heathens! ;D
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THuckaby2

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2002, 08:24:06 AM »
Matt:  you were Heathen #1 in my mind!  We've had this "battle" before... It's all in good fun and hey, there's room in golf for non-believers without a doubt.   ;)

Seriously though, I do think the book isn't "just" for us CBMac-ophiles... there is a LOT of great stuff re golf and life in them thar pages George (and Gib) put forth....

TH
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Robert Kimball

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2002, 11:37:26 AM »
FINALLY . . came in the mail yesterday. :D :D

Great work, I can only imagine how many countless hours were spent in its' creation.  I love the old pictures (especially of mid-ocean's 5th), and I have yet to really dive into the text, but that will be my weekend activity.  

Thanks again for the great book.  
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John Foley

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2002, 11:44:02 AM »
Tuesday night I'm out of town and I drop by the local Borders to browse and I come across Nicklaus by Design. Thumbing thru it it's actually not bad. Yes it is only Jack's courses, but there are actually some good architecture & agronomic sections. A pleasent surprise. I go around the corner and I spy this massive white book in the golf section and I see Bahto in the corner. Spent the next 45 minutes in awe.

Amazon still hadn't shipped it as of this Am so I cancelled and bought it locally at lunch today. Can't wait to dive in.

From first look it's as impressive as any architecture book out there.

Way to go George (& Gib)!!
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2002, 07:08:41 PM »
I just returned from my local book store where I picked up the copies I had ordered.  While I have just skimmed through the book, it looks great, and as Matt said, it will make a great Xmas present, to yourself and others.

I'm giving copies to some members of NGLA who I am sure will enjoy reading it, and adding it to their golf library.

George, how do I get my copies autographed ?

P.S.  Who was the developer who bought The Links, and is any of it left ?
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George Bahto

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2002, 08:00:02 PM »
Patrick - the Links: nothing left - just condos - don't really know who bought the property but will find out from Links members

Pat I could meet you at the Knoll or ECCC - working both right now - or I guess you could send them to me via UPS

thanks all of you for the kind words
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2002, 08:16:26 PM »
George Bahto,

May I suggest that the publisher send a complimentary copy of the book to each of CBM's golf clubs that had chapters devoted to them.

I would think that membership interest would increase sales substantially.

Just a thought.  

Good Luck.
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George Bahto

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2002, 08:28:23 PM »
Pat - you said: "May I suggest that the publisher send a complimentary copy of the book to each of CBM's golf clubs that had chapters devoted to them"

all that is already in the works - thanks
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THuckaby2

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2002, 08:20:45 AM »
Just a quick note to say that hours on one's back leads to plenty of reading time and well... I have devoured this wonderful book and now am going through it again more carefully... it is indeed FANTASTIC and the hole by hole on NGLA has me drooling to get back there and play it "correctly", make up for all my horrible play the first time around.  Some day....

Thanks again George (and Gib)!

TH
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ted janeczek

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2002, 08:29:49 AM »
i, too, got to dive into my copy this weekend and would like to echo all the great (not good ) things said above. i expect that it will eventually rate as one of the all-time great architecure/ history books in golf. wonderful stuff, george!!
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2002, 11:08:19 AM »
George Bahto,

I just ordered 10 more copies and will contact you to meet at either The Knoll or ECCC.

The book is very interesting and a great gift.

Has NGLA given any thought to returning the 13th green to its outer boundary nearer the deep right side bunker, and if that was contemplated, what would happen to the bunker that would then be in the middle of the green ?
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George Pazin

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2002, 11:19:47 AM »
Just got my copy 2 hours ago - can't wait for the business day to end!

What an amazing world we live in, when we can receive so much for so relatively little. Thanks George.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2002, 01:51:15 PM »

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Pat - you said: "May I suggest that the publisher send a complimentary copy of the book to each of CBM's golf clubs that had chapters devoted to them"

all that is already in the works - thanks

I'm amazed. When did the book business get into the business of actually marketing books?

Years ago, a friend of mine wrote a book about the homes of the presidents. Of course, the addresses of all of the homes -- many of which are historic sites and have gift shops -- were listed in the back of the book.

It never occurred to the publisher to sell the book through those gift shops.

My friend had to make that suggestion himself.

The publisher wondered if, by any chance, my friend had a list of the addresses of the president's homes.
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George Bahto

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2002, 09:51:51 PM »
Patrick. you asked about ngla: "Has NGLA given any thought to returning the 13th green to its outer boundary nearer the deep right side bunker, and if that was contemplated, what would happen to the bunker that would then be in the middle of the green ? "

I don't know but i would doubt it - that green would really be too big i think - yes, the bunker would be gone - I think it was put in just to define the "new" putting surface better.

Do you realize how big that green would be side to side ? - likethe size of a double green. Talk about pin placements.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2002, 10:08:04 PM »
I just got home tonight to find my copy which I'm busily perusing.

I'm in awe at the scope of the work and can only imagine what a labor of love it must have been to put together such an amazing, comprehensive gift to the game and to all of its disciples.

George; all I can say is thank you!   ;D  
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