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Greg Holland

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River Forest near Macon, GA
« on: May 16, 2005, 05:25:22 PM »
Has anyone heard of this course?  Some non-GCA types recently played it and had many comments about the design (apparently on very hilly terrain, lots of forced carries and shots over ravines; an dogleg left with severly canted fairway left to right, etc.). Knowing I like this stuff, they asked me about it and who designed it, but I have not heard of it and could find nothing on the internet.

Any clues?  Thanks.

Jeff_Stettner

Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 05:52:59 PM »
Rocky Roquemore design. Don't know much about it. Drove by these last week and was tempted to pull over and see what the course looked like but didn't have time.

www.riverforest.info

Bill_McBride

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 06:01:35 PM »
Stettner, what the hell are you doing near Macon Georgia?  You'd better watch yourself down here in the Deep South!  :o

Jeff_Stettner

Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 06:17:23 PM »
Bill,
I was coming back from some golf on Hilton Head.

I have only spent one night of my life in Macon, GA. I was with Gib and Shooter. Ask them how the evening played out.

John_Cullum

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 07:51:44 PM »
If there was any excitement, something went awry.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 11:16:49 PM »
So Jeff, are you still in these parts?

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 09:00:11 AM »
I have only spent one night of my life in Macon, GA. I was with Gib and Shooter. Ask them how the evening played out.

That wouldn't be the Chechessee/Cuscowilla trip, would it?

Keith Williams

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2005, 08:30:58 AM »
Greg,

I have not played River Forest, but I am somewhat familiar with Rocky Roquemore, its architect.  The Roquemore family is well renowned around Atlanta for providing affordable private golf under the Canongate Golf Club badge.  The Roquemore's utilized Dick Wilson and Joe Lee for their designs and Rocky follows that same design lineage, as he worked under Joe Lee for years.  His first solo addition to the Canongate name was Chapel Hills Country Club in 1991.  He has created more courses around Atlanta (Planterra Ridge, Mirror Lake) and the southeast (Gray Plantation in Louisiana), often teaming up with his brother-in-law Jeff Burton for designs.

Keith.

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2005, 09:45:14 AM »
Ironic that for some reason I jumped online from my hotel room here in Macon this morning to check what was happening on GCA.  I have to meet someone at the ATL airport late today and depending on how much spare time I have this afternoon I was planning on stopping out to see River Forest.  I have heard from some people that it was a very good "Players Club" type layout.

I heard that for a young club they have a very low handicap membership and that they sold out their membership before the course was even open, I cannot believe you could do that.  I will attempt to stop by and see if I can get a few pictures as time permitts today.
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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA (Pics added)
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2005, 11:26:34 PM »
Well, I made it out to River Forest...Ask and you shall receive...

Is GCA.com great or what?????   Where else could you pose a simple question, and have someone run right out for a personal inspection and report.  

RF is an interesting place.  The golf course has some very good and scenic holes, but as I find with a lot of courses around this part of the country the topography is a little severe in places to just lay a course out on the lay of the land without major manipulation.   So RF is definitely not what you would call minimalist.  And also like many courses around here laid out on the hard GA clay when they first open it is quite firm and that can make for some awkward bounces on the sloping terrain.   It will be interesting to see if it softens up with some time.

The membership at RF was sold out completely before the course ever opened, and apparently is a very low handicap bunch.   That is probably a good thing, because the course overall is challenging, somewhat unforgiving, and there are a couple of holes that would be quite difficult for mid to high handicappers.  

Again there are some good holes, I just think there needs to be a little tweaking of a couple holes out there.


The view from the first tee shows some dramatic earthmoving to make a very level fairway, a great opening hole.  Note in all these pictures that they were out aerating the course and doing lots of maintaince.  You can see the brown (actually red clay) areas short of the fairway on this pic.



The 2nd hole is one of the ones that is a little difficult for the higher handicapper.  If you cannot either place a shot of probably 180-220 yards (over the forced carry and short of the bunker) fairly accurately or hit a little draw there is just not much room to land the ball.



The par 5, 6th hole featured a severe left to right side hill slope for your second shot.  My second shot was hit with a long iron draw into the hillside landed in the very left edge of the fairway and still bounced, and rolled across the fairway, into the rough, down the hill and into the hazard on the right.  I am sure this will soften up with time, and with the bermuda filling in a little bit, but I would not want to see someone who slices the ball try to play this hole as it is today.



The tee shot on the par 4 9th hole.  Exhibiting a couple GCA purist no-no's.  

The 30' tall fountian in the lake is visible beyond the creek which is designed to cascade down the left side (although it wasnt on this day).  The flag is visible in the distance if you look hard.  The hole is a good golf hole though, just a little too busy for some people on here I am sure.


The back nine has some dramatic holes, and a great routing.  Led off by the par 5 10th hole here you see the view from the landing area dramatically downhill to the green on the other side of a lake.  It is a spectacular hole.



The par 3 11th at 209 yards from the back tee is not only dramatic but also a challenging hole.  

What you cant see from the tee is a bail out area/fairway left of the green behind the rocks from this view.  This hole reminds me of the 16th at cypress a little.  While not as dramatic the thought process is much the same.  Do I hit the heroic long iron or utility club shot at the flag which is all carry, or take advantage of the area to the left.  Also like Cypress though that decision is made more difficult by the fact that if you are on the line just left of the green there is not as much room as if you miss it further left than that.


This picture is looking back from behind the 183yd par 3 16th green.   Also visible in the background are the par 3 11th in the distance over the bridge, and the green of the par 510th on the right side of the picture.  Also the 15th green is visible from here although hard to see in this picture it is located just beyond the 10th green.  Although I think the flag is directly in line with a tree in the distance, you can see the greenside fan if you look.  Also note that this green apron has just undergone an aggressive core areation and the brown plugs are still laying there.  This nine was closed to play but I was able to get some pictures.

I love it when there is an area on a course where you can get a view of several different green complexes.   While most of the day you are feeling quite secluded on your own hole, there are times on the front nine where when you are given a glimpse of another hole here and there.  As you see above this lake down in a valley provides just such an atmosphere on the back nine with four holes playing around this little area.  I really like it.


Overall RF is a little rough around the edges yet, but with some TLC and grow in time it could mature nicely.  I think its reputation as a players club will likely continue as it has started.
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Greg Holland

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2005, 11:50:07 PM »
Daryl, you are the man.  Thanks very much.  

You took pictures of a couple of the holes my friend asked about -- the par 5 6th and the par 3 11th were the holes he singled out.  He is a bogey golfer, but he had a similar experience on 6, with what he thought was the best drive of the day down the left side of the fairway, only to have it hit in the fairway and bound across and down the slope into the rough on the right.  He thought 11 was too much as well.  The slope in front of the green is severe and the green itself apparently slopes back to front, such that a tee shot that was short yielded a chip that came all the way back down to his feet.

Apparently there are some big houses -- despite the severe topography as well.  Thanks again.  Hope you are well.

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2005, 04:04:31 PM »
He thought 11 was too much as well.  The slope in front of the green is severe and the green itself apparently slopes back to front, such that a tee shot that was short yielded a chip that came all the way back down to his feet.

Alas I didnt get to play the back nine, just looked at it, so I couldn't tell that about the 11th.  

Were your friends who talked about it from Greensboro?  That is a heck of a jaunt just to play there.
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BCrosby

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2005, 04:19:57 PM »
Turboe -

Impressive. Not the course. I mean your command performance. Wow. Great job.


Bob
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A.G._Crockett

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2005, 10:26:43 PM »
Great pictures of a course I had not even heard of.

Man, are they aerating late!  Wonder why they would be doing that now, instead of March.  Actually, some courses around Atlanta pushed back into April this year because of the wet spring, but I've not seen any core aeration in mid-May before.
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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2005, 04:17:32 PM »
I thought it kind of late as well, I dont know if it had something to do with the fact that this was the first time they had probably done so with the course just opening late last fall.

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Anthony_Nysse

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2005, 04:50:13 PM »
We just opened today after being closed since Monday to aerify-We aerified tees, greens and collars. We didn't need to do fairways.

Tony Nysse
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Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
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Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2005, 04:56:39 PM »
Well there you have it.  I am guessing they know a little something about timing at Long Cove.  Anthony, does it have more to do with courses coming out of dormancy and whether or not they are overseeded or what?
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Greg Holland

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2005, 08:08:20 PM »
My club is aerating right now as well.  I think you have to let the Bermuda grow in from its dormancy first. Because of the weather, the grass greened up later than usual this year in this area.  

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:River Forest near Macon, GA
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2005, 07:17:54 AM »
Turbo,
  You are right on. We actually sprayed out our cool season grass on tees and greens about 3 weeks ago so that the bermuda would have a solid 2 weeks without competition going into aerification. If you do not spray out your cool season, aerification will help "beat up" the cool season and weaken it wihich will also aid in the competiton. It is also the tail end of our busy season where our membership play slows down.

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
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Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL