[Lou_Duran]

Rich Goodale,

I am sure that your advice is rock solid.  Unfortunately, brogue is not spoken here.  Texan only.

Which brings up the question as to where Hogan was really reared.  His "Five Lessons" on the fundamentals of the modern swing was perplexing at best.  All the pronating, supinating, and leading with the right knee just makes me dizzy.

Suffice it to say that my swing these days resemble more those of the turn of the 20th century, though I dare not to categorize it as "classic".  As poorly as I played in Aberdour (I still can't pronounce that blessed name) a couple of years back, I would gladly take that swing today.  Sore elbow or not.  If things don't change quickly, I may be joining the teenagers in your beautiful town and howl at the moon from the streets.  

[Ted Kramer]

Rich Goodale,

I am sure that your advice is rock solid.  Unfortunately, brogue is not spoken here.  Texan only.

Which brings up the question as to where Hogan was really reared.  His "Five Lessons" on the fundamentals of the modern swing was perplexing at best.  All the pronating, supinating, and leading with the right knee just makes me dizzy.

Suffice it to say that my swing these days resemble more those of the turn of the 20th century, though I dare not to categorize it as "classic".  As poorly as I played in Aberdour (I still can't pronounce that blessed name) a couple of years back, I would gladly take that swing today.  Sore elbow or not.  If things don't change quickly, I may be joining the teenagers in your beautiful town and howl at the moon from the streets.  

What shafts do you have in your irons?

-Ted

[Lou_Duran]

Ted,

Apex 4s.  My normal shot is starting the irons and fairways on the line or a bit left, and going left from there. The driver is the only club I am hitting decently though somewhat short.  It nas a Graffaloy graphite stiff.  I think that my clubhead speed is still over 100 mph (115 - 125 in years past).  Some advice?

[John_Cullum]

Hmm...wonder if golf is the mindless pagan variant of some aesthetic, wiccan, nature based anti-religion, as well?  

At the Eighth International Church Music Congress in Rome in 1986, for example, Ratzinger blasted rock music as a “vehicle of anti-religion”. He said rock and roll is a secular variant of an age-old ecstatic religion, in which man “lowers the barriers of individuality and personality” to “liberate himself from the burden of consciousness”. Rock is thus “the complete antithesis of Christian faith in the redemption”.

I see a real party coming.  

I'm sending my hairshirt to the cleaners.

Vive il Papa

[Ted Kramer]

Ted,

Apex 4s.  My normal shot is starting the irons and fairways on the line or a bit left, and going left from there. The driver is the only club I am hitting decently though somewhat short.  It nas a Graffaloy graphite stiff.  I think that my clubhead speed is still over 100 mph (115 - 125 in years past).  Some advice?

I don't know how much you know about shafts and golf equipment in general so pls forgive me if I am stating the obvious, but I'll start off by keeping it as simple as possible . . .

Apex 4's are the Hogan version of "stiff". There really isn't any industry standard defining "stiff", but there are a bunch of other "stiff" shafts out there to choose from and 2 that I would recomend looking into if relieving pain is going to be a factor in your decision making.

Rifle shafts tend to play/feel a little smoother than others. Rifle makes a few different types of shafts, but to keep things as simple as possible, I'm just talking about "standard rifles". Rifle 5.5 and 6.0 play right around "stiff", with 5.5s maybe being a shade softer and 6.0s being a shade tighter than other "stiff shafts"

I switched from DG s300 to Rifle 5.5 and couldn't be happier. The Rifles are a bit softer, flight the ball a bit higher, and the feel is way smoother. I broke both of my elbows when I was younger and have pain in them pretty regularly, the switch to Rifles has eased that pain as it relates to golf a great deal.

The other shaft that might be worth checking out is Nippon. Nippon makes a "950" and a "1050" in both "stiff" and "regular". The 950 is 95 grams and the 1050 is 105 grams. The Apex4s are 113 grams. The Nippons are lighter than the Apex4s and play MUCH smoother . . .many "strong hitters of the ball" don't care for Nippons because they can be overpowered, while "smoother swinging" types tend to really like them. Callaway is using Nippon 950s as a stock shaft in their new Fusion Irons.

If you have a chance to check out a set of irons with Rifle 5.5s or Nippons in them, it might be worth your time. . .

I can put you in touch with people who know this stuff inside and out. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. If I can't help you, I can certainly put you in touch with someone who can.

-Ted

[Mike_Cirba]

Hmm...wonder if golf is the mindless pagan variant of some aesthetic, wiccan, nature based anti-religion, as well?  

At the Eighth International Church Music Congress in Rome in 1986, for example, Ratzinger blasted rock music as a “vehicle of anti-religion”. He said rock and roll is a secular variant of an age-old ecstatic religion, in which man “lowers the barriers of individuality and personality” to “liberate himself from the burden of consciousness”. Rock is thus “the complete antithesis of Christian faith in the redemption”.

I see a real party coming.  

I'm sending my hairshirt to the cleaners.

Vive la Papa

Yes, John...

I'm imagining that even Tom MacWood's Four-Hour Erection from playing Sand Hills will "be utterly cryit down" in coming days.  

[Dan Kelly]

Vive la Papa

LA (?) Papa?

Do you know something we don't?

[John_Cullum]

Many pardons Holy Father

vive il Papa

My mother prefers the Latin Mass.

[T_MacWood]

"At the Eighth International Church Music Congress in Rome in 1986, for example, Ratzinger blasted rock music as a 'vehicle of anti-religion'. He said rock and roll is a secular variant of an age-old ecstatic religion, in which man 'lowers the barriers of individuality and personality' to 'liberate himself from the burden of consciousness'. Rock is thus 'the complete antithesis of Christian faith in the redemption'."

Whenever I read a mutilated disjointed quote like that one, I immediately wonder if the author has an agenda or an ax to grind...the context and totality of his remarks are impossible to know from this quote. From what I understand Ratzinger is a classical music fanatic...Mozart, Bethoven, etc.

Here are the top songs from 1986...he should have added "and the complete antithesis of good music."

http://villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/02/search_return.php?poll_year=1986&type=S&keyword=

[George Pazin]

All Right, since Lou brought up the sore left elbow, I have to ask: what about the sore right elbow? I got back from playing 3 days straight in Scottsdale and literally had a bruise on my right forearm and inner right bicep. That's got to be some sort of major swing flaw, no?

[Ted Kramer]

All Right, since Lou brought up the sore left elbow, I have to ask: what about the sore right elbow? I got back from playing 3 days straight in Scottsdale and literally had a bruise on my right forearm and inner right bicep. That's got to be some sort of major swing flaw, no?

Any "movies" on the hotel receipt?
 

-Ted

[Mike_Cirba]

Tom MacWood,

Perhaps the pontiff was simply decrying the sad demise of the disco era?  

[Anthony Gray]

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[Anthony Gray]

  I think that is one thing that makes GB&I great. Being able to play the great courses. Look at the influence that has had on the architects of our time. CBM walking off distances, Pete Dye and railroad ties, etc.

  Anthony

[Mike_Young]

  I think that is one thing that makes GB&I great. Being able to play the great courses. Look at the influence that has had on the architects of our time. CBM walking off distances, Pete Dye and railroad ties, etc.

  Anthony

Don't forget the sheep....and how they influenced many....that's why you saw pictures of many of the ODG's in the tall rubber boots

[Mac Plumart]

I would not open up the private courses.  I think being able to play the classic courses in GB&I makes that trip extra special.  If we could play all the private clubs in the USA, I think fewer would make that trip as it wouldn't be as big a treat.

Also, I wondered if a lot of good/great courses in the US would loose their appeal as a big part of it is the mystique and aura of a club.  Take that away and get the below average golfer with no sense of quality design playing it and putting it down and the courses allure would go down and taint some wonderful legacies.

I feel this might be happening a little with St. Andrews Old.  I've seen written reviews saying that it is a great piece of musuem history, but is lacking as a golf course.  But then true experts, rave about it now...as they have for a LONG period of time. 

[Ronald Montesano]

I will disagree with Mac here...I believe that each great old private club could open its doors one day a year for charity, offer up fifteen minutes tee times from 8 to 3:45, 104 golfers each year an opportunity to experience the course.  Before I go on, remember that Augusta National essentially does this the Monday after the Masters for the lucky few of the unwashed media.  One of the Buffalo News guys was selected to play one year.  Now, I regress from the digression...

You could donate all green fees to charity...charge $200 per foursome and pull in $5000 for some foundation.  Clubs could go a step farther and deny people access but once every five years, if the demand is high enough.  Knowing that I could get on Shinny or NatGolf with enough anticipation would compel me to build a trip around it.

Punto numero dos\\ I believe that seeing great courses will motivate many to pursue learning of and playing other great courses.  They might even end up here!  Chances are that some will discover the old countries of golf and follow a blazed trail to GB&I.

Punto numero tres\\  It has been almost 20 years since I played my single and singular round over the Old Course of St. Andy.  My knowledge base was still not enough to prepare me for its magic.  It is one of those course (and there are many in the world) where true knowledge is gained through repetition.  If the opportunity to become a temporary burgher (with a 30 day residency in the town) and play the course for peanuts is still available, I believe that I would do so.  Who knows, I might even take a sabbatical there some year, starting in June when classes let out.

As for those who praise or criticize the layout, remember that some call me merely ugly, while others see me as stunningly grotesque

[Tim Bert]

At $200 per foursome, the line atthe door would be so long that you'd be talking about a random lottery. That's cheaper than good number of average public courses. At $5000 the clubs would be be doing somenice foundations a disservice relative to their real earnings power.

I'd say $500 / head is more appropriate for the elite courses holding a charity auction. Would this dose the doors on a good portion ofthe gfing public?  Yes, but you'd still be full every year and a guy that truly dreamed of playing one particular course (as opposed to checking a bunch off of a checklist without taking the time to form relationships) could and would save up for this dream round, even on a modest income.

[Eric Smith]

As for those who praise or criticize the layout, remember that some call me merely ugly, while others see me as stunningly grotesque

...some even call you Milfred!

[Ronald Montesano]

Do you know the origin of Milfred?  That's Deacon Palmer's first name.  Arnie's dad was Milfred.  Who the F would spoil a meat-and-potatoes name like Fred by putting Al or Mil in front of it?  How many other ways can you mess it up...Illfred?  Culfred?  Hamfred?  The list goes on.

Milfred...

[Mac Plumart]

Okay...

Milfred is right.  I agree with what he said.

But hold on a minute...you can become a 30 day resident of St. Andrews and play the old course everyday?  Please tell me more.

[Sean_A]

In true Catholic style only the poor should be allowed through the many sets of earthly Gates of St Peters and be given a free bowl of soup as they enter.  You folks talking of money like it grows on trees, no, to mediocre public 5 hour games of golfing purgatory for you.  Your final fate is to be decided by a much higher authority than the PoG.  For all you folks who need not talk about money at all, the meek shall inherit the golf clubs one and all.  Your afterlife, yes, you are so blessed because you can afford and hopefully paid for your dispensation, is to be spent in perpertual servitude to the game you love.  For those who would not hedge their bets on the existence of God (otherwise known as cheap buggers) and pay the proper dispensation, of which a tything may have sufficed in many circumstances, you are deemed unfit to be wealthy and shall spend a damned eternity paying for and caddying for the less fortunate golf addicts of this world.  

Ciao

Seanus Robertus VIII.VII

[Mac Plumart]

Sean...

Are you serious?  If so, I apologize if I have offended you.  I will try to be more careful in the future.

I thought Ron/Milfred's idea of raising money for charity was better than my closed door policy, which benefits no one but the members of these elite courses (of which I am not a member).

[Ronald Montesano]

I'm between a sean and a tim bert.  We might as well kill two birds with one stone and make a charitable endeavor.  Tim, your suggestion keeps closed doors closed and honestly, I'm disappointed that you would even give it air.  The kind that can afford $500 rounds have already seen these courses.  The idea is to raise support for golf course architecture and travel to Europe to play these fine courses.  As the Euro weakens, the plausibility of a trip becomes more viable.

If you think that $5G is small potatoes, have 104 club members match the visitor expense and you double to $10G.  The idea IS TO HAVE a random lottery.  The idea IS TO MAKE IT comparable to fine public courses.  Case in point:  Hickory Stick in Lewiston, NY opens this year.  It is a Seneca Niagara casino resort course.  If the rack rate is $150, few locals play it.  If opportunity to play it for $50-$75 is offered, the locals experience it, decide it if they like it, and perhaps make plans to return.

If you want people to base their opinions on great courses entirely on hearsay, by all means, lay down your $500 tariff.  Oh, do I have lots to write on this subject...

[Eric Smith]

Do you know the origin of Milfred?  That's Deacon Palmer's first name.  Arnie's dad was Milfred.  Who the F would spoil a meat-and-potatoes name like Fred by putting Al or Mil in front of it?  How many other ways can you mess it up...Illfred?  Culfred?  Hamfred?  The list goes on.

Milfred...

Mofred??

BTW Dicky V was dropping your name at about the 10:00 mark of the second half of the Tennessee/Kentucky game last night.  Kept saying you were in the house, but I did not see you on my tv screen.

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