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cary lichtenstein

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Aspen to Bandon Trails
« on: February 18, 2005, 02:23:25 AM »
I am headed out to Bandon Trails this summer, leaving by car from Aspen, Colorado.

I have played pretty much all the Colorado courses, so I am looking for suggestions as to what to play as I make my way thru Utah and Oregon on my way to Bandon.

Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

A_Clay_Man

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2005, 09:18:38 AM »
Q- I'd seek out that Fazio course Matt Ward is high on in Utah. I golfed Thanksgiving Point (Johnny Miller) and it was not bad. The backnine used more of the natural baranka's or bosque's as diagonal cross carries. Which was refreshing.

In Nampa, Id. there's an interesting Harbottle (Ridgecrest) Muni that has one of the most intimate stretches on the backnine, followed by the most severe, steepest, uphill par 4s, to a Raynoresque green on steroids.

There really is not much on the southern route through Idaho. After meeting you and your lovely better half, I'd guess you might enjoy the northern route.

JC can give better insight.

P.s. It might be worth it to head due north first to Rawlin's wy. and golf KK's new one there. You might not find any Bats, but from the pics it looks like heaven on earth.

« Last Edit: February 18, 2005, 09:19:13 AM by Adam Clayman »

THuckaby2

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2005, 09:31:14 AM »
Cary - I've puzzled over a map on this and I'm with redanman - are you SURE you want to make that drive?  No good way to get there, not much to see (at least golf wise) no matter how you do it.  It's also a LONG LONG drive, as you must know.  Do you have a week at least to devote to this?

TH

JohnV

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2005, 09:38:37 AM »
If you look at Yahoo Maps driving directions they take you up through Boise and Portland and then down.  Obviously all the courses in the Portland area become fair game at that point.  Another option would be cutting across the center of Oregon from Boise and going through Bend and hitting those courses.  Third would be to go across I-80 to Sacramento and then go north on I-5 and over to Bandon from Roseburg.  Then you could hit the courses around Reno, Sacramento and also go to Eagle Point near Medford.

THuckaby2

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2005, 09:42:40 AM »
JV, that's exactly what I did.

And man, that is a LONG drive to go through Boise and Portland, and a long BORING drive to go I-80 down through Reno, Sacto and back up.

The courses in Reno are fine and dandy, but are they worth that 500+ mile detour?

The center option through Bend seems the best choice to me.  But that means some tiny roads and it taking a LONG LONG time.

I guess the bottom line here is if Cary has 7-10 days to devote to this, it might be fun whichever way he goes.  Meandering over that area in a slow fashion sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, and he will find some good golf to play.

But if he is looking to actually get to Bandon, well... I go back to redanman's take.

Bottom line is this:  are ANY courses on ANY route he'd take worth delaying Bandon for, missing time that might be spent playing golf there?  Not as I see it.... See, I COULD always drive to Bandon from the Bay Area myself - they say it takes 9-10 hours.  But that means about 4 hours at least that might have been spent at Bandon if I fly... gee, what could I do with those four hours?   ;)

TH
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2005, 09:56:58 AM »
My alternative, is to ship my car from Aspen to Bandon Dunes and fly there. Do you think that is a better option? Open to all suggestions
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

JohnV

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2005, 09:58:01 AM »
Tom, without playing golf, I've done the drive from Cheyenne, WY to Portland in 1.75 days.  I've done Salt Lake to Portland in 1 day.  Add another half day to get to Bandon and it is probably 2.25 full days of driving going the northern route.  I've also done Cheyenne to Sacramento in 1.25 days and Sacramento to Bandon is a full day, making 2.25 days also, but I'd guess it would be a little longer going that way.  All that assumes that trip from Aspen to Salt Lake is about the same as the trip from Cheyenne to Salt Lake.

I did do Rock Springs Wy to Portland in one 18 hour day also, but that was crazy.

In the end, it all depends on how much time you have and how many places you want to play golf.  If you play golf every day it would probably take 3 or 4 days to get to Bandon regardless of which way you went so if you can find 3 or 4 good courses along the way and you have the time, why not do it.

Matt_Ward

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2005, 10:04:52 AM »
Cary:

In leaving Aspen you need to stop through Monticello UT -- just south of Moab and play The Hideout by Forrest Richardson.

As you come near to Salt Lake City there are few worth a play. Adam already mentioned Thanksgiving Point by Johnny Miller & Gene Bates and I like it a lot. It's a very demanding layout because of the length -- 7,700 yards from the tips -- but there's plenty of unique and interesting design features.

If you have the wherewithal I would try to play Glenwild -- the TF sensational layout located in Park City, UT. It is rated GD's #1 course in the Beehive State for good reason. I believe it's one of the five best TF courses I have ever played from the 50 or more that I have personally sampled. Glenwild is not some sort of pre-fab mailed in effort. The course is long because of the elevation aid you get but the quality of the holes -- especially the pacing -- is well done. Arguably, the finishing stretch is among the finest sequence of end holes that TF has designed.

Another layout worth playing is the Pete Dye layout at Promontory -- also in Park City. The facility is in the midst in creating a Jack Nicklaus companion 18. The layout Dye did is solid but a clear step or two behind Glenwild.

The issue for Utah golf is clearly exposure -- more of the golf in and around the St. George area gets far more notice than what you see in the northern half of the state.

The issue for you when you trek from Salt Lake City to Bandon Trails is that you've got plenty of open road with little or no quality golf in-between. There's nothing of quality in the stretch of I-80 thru Northen Nevada unless you venture to the greater Reno area. If you head north of Salt Lake City and cut across the wide area of eastern Oregon you'll be searching for something of quality to play.

Either way -- enjoy your trek.

Don_Mahaffey

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2005, 10:17:01 AM »
Cary,
I've done Cheyenne to Bend in a day (a long day). It's a long way, but what's the big deal about a one day drive? I'd go through Bend and try and play Crosswater, Pronghorn, Aspen Lakes, Bend Golf & Country Club, and maybe Black Butte on the way over the Cascades to Bandon. Central Oregon in the summer is worth the visit. If you come that way, PM me if your looking for a golfing partner.  

THuckaby2

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2005, 10:21:07 AM »
JV, I know it CAN be done semi-quickly, but that's still a lot of driving over roads that can't be the safest in the world.  So going fast means danger.. going slow means it taking forever, missing Bandon... seems to me no good way to do this.

Cary, re shipping your car, well... if time is of the essence, I'd say that's the best idea.  Also it's not like you're missing any MUST-SEE courses if you skip this drive.  If that is doable financially, well... that flight to Bandon also means 2-3 extra rounds there.... sounds like a win-win to me.

 ;D

Mike:  the Jesuits at Santa Clara taught me to maximize time, when special places are the issue.  You seriously would devote time that could be spent at Bandon to a road trip?  Sure, OK, if we were back in college, we have a "Zen"-like trip - I've done plenty of those.  But we ain't in college, and well... Bandon Dunes didn't exist then anyway.

 ;D

JohnV

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2005, 10:32:49 AM »
Tom, I wasn't arguing for doing it fast, just to give an approximate idea of the amount of driving involved.  When I was doing it, I was in a hurry to get home after 6 months on the road with the Futures Tour, not on a vacation.  I would love to spend more time driving that part of the country because it really isn't as barren as some are making it out to be (well, perhaps Northern Nevada is.)

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2005, 10:33:35 AM »
I think Quassi has some spare time to take the slow route, and I do miss my West Coast skiing. However if I was going to take the extended golf journey, I think I would charter a boat do a ring around Ireland and then head over to Scotland.  :)

THuckaby2

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2005, 10:37:16 AM »
JV and Mike, I think we'd all agree that if he has unlimited time, it could be well spent on ANY route from Aspen to Bandon.  Several worthwhile golf courses have been suggested, hell there's the greatest fly-fishing on the planet, skiing, some incredible scenery, potatoes....  ;D

The question remains is any of that worth missing time in Bandon for.

I guess if one does have unlimited time to devote to leisure activities, than that's not an issue either.

And if Cary has that, then what the hell is he doing asking us about this for?  He should be out there reporting.

 ;D ;D

SPDB

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2005, 11:54:02 AM »
Quasssi -

If you're travelling earlier in the Summer, you've got it all wrong. It is not your car that you want to ship to Bandon, but your golf clubs. Among places to spend time in the Rocky Mountain States, golf courses rank among the worst.  

Huck is right. You've some of the best fly fishing all along the route from Aspen to Bandon. If you're not an angler, then this summer would be a terrific time to start.

If you're interested, I could suggest a route that would take you through first class waters, and breathtaking scenery.

Dan Smoot

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2005, 01:13:43 PM »
My Bandon Trip - December 31, 2002

You might find this amusing.

I had been to Bandon one time before, playing BD.  I absolutely fell in love with this place to the point I really don't want to spend any travel money to play anywhere else  --  Playing a type of golf course I had never experienced before.  During this time, I became a frequent lurker on this website buying recommended golf architecture books, learning as much as I could.  PD had recently opened up.  I needed another fix and was primed for another trip to Oregon.

I spent Christmas with my family and parents in Longmont Colo.  On December  29th, I left Longmont and traveled to Rock Springs, WY (home) to reload the car that night for a trip to Bandon.  We got up the next morning and left at 4 AM with one wife, 3 kids and one dog in a Chevy Caprice.  We traveled through Utah, slightly past Boise and headed across the middle of Oregon.  Hit Bend Oregon as nightfall hit.  Decided to continue onto Roseburg Oregon.  During the entire trip, we found out the dog (Sheltie) did not ride in the car well.  He was literally doing laps in the car going from one persons lap to another and sometimes pausing to sit in the back window.

Leaving Bend, we traveled over the mountains skirting the north entrance of Crater Lake.  Having grown up in Colorado, I had never seen the amount of snow piled up in those Oregon mountains.  At some point, we had to pass one of those snow removal trucks that was shooting snow way over the high snow banks on both sides of the road.  We arrived in Roseburg about 10 PM.

It was raining hard when we arrived, it wasn't letting up the next morning and the forecast wasn't good.  I quickly found a pro shop in Roseburg that had rain gloves for my son and I.  The pro told me that Bandon alternated courses in the winter.  I had only two days available to golf and I subsequently found out that PD was only open that very day.  I didn't want to travel that far without playing PD.  The pro called Bandon for me and found out that it was raining hard on the coast.  It was about 10 AM when I left Roseburg.  

I traveled the next 80 miles going as fast as I could go so that I could get 18 holes in.  When I arrived at the course at 11:30.  It was raining but it didn't seem too bad at the clubhouse.  There were 60 people on the course when I got there.  We paid and teed off within 20 minutes of arriving.  The girls headed toward town and I told them to come back in about 4.5 hours.

The rain was tolerable for the first two holes.  Considering the conditions, I was thrilled to par the first two holes.  By the time  we got to the green on PD#3 right on the ocean, the rain was horizontal, with the wind 35 - 50 mph (guess) -- double bogey #3.  The wind was right in our face heading down the coast on PD#4.  It was an incredible struggle all the way to finish the hole.  My college aged son was playing with me.  He can take or leave golf, but was willing to play with me.  We got to PD#5, about 160 yds.  My son hit a 3 wd very well off the tee and was approximately 25 yards short of the green.

By the time we arrived at #7 or #8, I had to find the restroom .  As I came out, my son was standing there shivering quite bad.      Up to that point,  I was so excited about playing this great golf course,  I didn't care about the conditions and was oblivious to what my son was going through.  I could have called crawled into a hole as I stood there looking at him.  With tremendous guilt,  I asked him if he wanted to head back to the clubhouse.  He said no he would go on.  

We finished through #8 and came off the green with the wind absolutely howling and the horizontal rain just beating us up.  We initially could not find the PD#9 tee box which we finally found behind the trees behind the #8 green.  Standing on #9 tee box,  we saw the bunker on the dune ahead of us but was not sure where the fairway was.  Finally deciding the fairway was on top of the dune, I wasn't sure I had enough in me to reach the fairway hitting into this wind.  I got the drive on top.  When we climbed to the fairway,  the wind was blowing so hard I did not think I could swing and maintain my balance enough to hit the ball.  My son and I huddled together in the fairway waiting for a dropoff in the wind.  After 5 minutes of waiting,  I decided to go ahead and hit.  We finished #9 and #10.  At that point, I could tell my son was done.  He was willing to watch me but I decided to pack in it for his sake.

I wear glasses and had to walk back to the clubhouse with my head down and could not keep a hat on my head.  It was raining so hard that it was hurting my forehead.  We got back to the clubhouse approx 2.5 hours after we started.  The head pro, Jim Wakeman, had towels ready for us when we arrived.  The windows in the clubhouse were visibly shaking.  Despite our rain gear, we were soaked down to our underwear.  Fortunately, my wife arrived almost immediately after we hit the clubhouse with fresh clothes.  I asked her why she had showed up early.  She told me that when she started to see snow flakes in Bandon that she had a feeling we wouldn't be finishing.  

Jim Wakeman was great to us and felt so sorry that I had driven so far to find these conditions that he sent me an opening day scorecard from Pacific Dunes signed by Mike Keiser and Tom Doak.

As a final ending to this trip,  I returned to Bandon two months later in February with three other golf buddies and played in great weather.  The assistant at Pacific Dunes took a look at me in the clubhouse and said "You look familiar to me".  I told him I was from Wyoming and had recently been there. At that point, he recognized me and said "You are that guy in that white car that came out here with your wife, a dog and all those kids and played in that nasty weather".  I got some good looks from the golf buddies.  If I want to tease my kids,  I tell them we are taking our family vacation to Bandon.  I think they will kill me if I am serious.  

PThomas

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2005, 01:26:17 PM »
Dan --  I always play a few times during my Family's vacation each year, but your story was REALLY something!

However, now I can tell my wife about it and say "Honey, at least I'm not that bad!" -- so thanks Dan!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

peter_p

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2005, 02:08:14 PM »
Cary
Another route is from Salt Lake City through Winnemucca and Klamath Falls. A long road day (650 Mi, 11 hrs) in summer.
Running Y (Palmer) at Klamath Falls. Eagle Point (Jones) near Medford. Rogue Valley (orig Egan) if you can play the original 18 (skips 4-12). This is the most direct route. The last day may be a loop through Brookings for Salmon Run GC. Sightseeing is Crater Lake, Oregon Caves NM and redwoods.

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2005, 03:47:36 PM »
Another good road book is Blue Highways by William Least Heat Moon.  It'll definitely get you in the mood for driving!

Heck - Aspen is nothing - we were going to take off 3 weeks and drive from Philly!  But the vacation timing didn't work out.

I think taking US 20 across Oregon is a good way to go.  Right thru Bend, and then S on US97 to Crater Lake, onto Oregon 62 to Medford and Oregon 42/42S to Bandon.

RE Blanks

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2005, 03:59:19 PM »
Dan,
That might be the funniest post I have ever seen on this site.  Kinda of like National Lampoons Vacation except replace Wally World with Bandond Dunes.  I would have been out there with you.  You need your picture on the wall.
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2005, 04:14:14 PM »
Dan:

Great post, I am still laughing

Cary
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

A_Clay_Man

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2005, 04:51:52 PM »
Cary, With your influence, you simply must get up to Astoria CC.

I'd speculate it could alter your definition of great GCA, and for a longtime to come.

peter_p

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2005, 05:19:28 PM »
Have you played Redlands Mesa in Grand Junction CO?

Matthew Schulte

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Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2005, 05:39:05 PM »
Pete:

I don't know if you have played Redlands Mesa, but I think it is worth stopping for if you are in the area but not worth any special effort to get to.

The scenery is spectacular in places.  I suspect it has changed considerably since it first opened as it must now be surrounded by homes.  There are the requisite Jim Engh abundance of drop shot par 3s, elevated tee boxes, and the familiar nearly imposible to maintain serpentine bunkering that has become Jim's signature.

peter_p

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2005, 05:45:12 PM »
Matthew,
I haven't, and it's on my to do list. I was just wondering if Cary had checked it off his list.

JakaB

Re:Aspen to Bandon Trails
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2005, 05:56:49 PM »


It's not Jim Engh but at only three hours from Denver it just might be worth the trip...



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