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SPDB

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2003, 12:44:27 PM »
it might as well. the hole is relentless.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2003, 01:13:17 PM »
I have to admit to not seeing all of #15 and #16 in person, so I don't specifically remember the extent of the slope on #15.  When I attended the 1993(?) Crump Cup, whoever won closed out after 13 holes(!), and the walk back (in the pouring rain) brought us down #14, behind 15 tee and 16 green, and then up 17 and down 18.  Though we walked by 15 tee (I remember looking across the pond, up the fairway) and 16 green, I don't remember being able to see much.
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Gary Smith (Guest)

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2003, 01:51:22 PM »
I always thought Medinah #3's twisting, turning, #7 would be hard to reach in 2, but the Chosen One did it on the fly with a beautifully faded 2 iron in the '99 PGA.

Tiger's 2 iron should have it's own website.  :)
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mark studer

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2003, 02:36:15 PM »
If I'm remembering correctly , the 15 th at PineValley was reached in 2 by Gary Groh, the club pro at Bob 'O Link about the time the '82 article was written ....he reached it with OLD technology. WOW!
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TEPaul

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2003, 02:50:40 PM »
#15 PV has been reached in two a number of times and actually so has #4 North Hills.

Rolling Green's #9 would seem to be hard to reach and so would Moselem's #12 from the old back tee across the road but both probably have been. I would have to think that Philmont's #9 has not been reached in two not because someone couldn't hit it that far but just because I can't imagine how off a really good drive you could ever get to the green in two as it's a massive C shaped hole and there are tons of trees you would have to go through on the inside on the second shot.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2003, 02:55:11 PM »
The Robert Jones Trail course in Dothan Alabama has a 690 yd plus par 5 which is absolutely unreachable from that back tee, as there is a deep depression in front of the green for the last 80 yards or so.  Standing on the tee is like looking in the wrong end of a telescope!   ;D
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Mark Dorman

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2003, 06:41:19 PM »
I'll throw out my home courses 470 par 5 third.

Why unreachable you ask?

Well, it is very reachable...

But with a green that is somewhere around 10 paces wide, 10 paces deep, it's pretty unreachable with anything but a wedge. Especially since our course always plays very hard with greens running high 10s on the stimp.
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Brock Peyer

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2003, 07:34:53 PM »
Thanks for reminding me of that 2 iron...that was a gowf shot.  
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2003, 08:13:04 PM »
Mark Studer,

Shortly after Gary Groh did it, an amateur, who happens to be a terrific young man, Peter Kapsimalis Jr. hit the green in two.

I'm told that some have hit # 16 at Pine Tree in two from the back tee at 666 yards, but I've never heard of anyone hitting
# 5 in two from the back tee at 610 yards.

Perhaps it's because of the prevailing winds, bunkering complexes and the elevated and well protected nature of the much smaller 5th green that has impeded same.  Then again, perhaps some have hit it, but I haven't heard of it.

If no limits are put on distance, in three years this thread will be amended to read, "Unreachable Par 4's"
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2003, 08:48:16 PM »
15 at PVGC was reached in two in the late 80s/early 90s by a club pro guest of a member.  It was the first time and they had the card signed and hanging up on the pegboard board to the right of the bar.  I do not know if it has been reached since.  Johnny Ott, you remember??  JC
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Doug Siebert

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2003, 09:22:58 PM »
I remember reading a Golf Digest (or maybe Sports Illustrated) article about Davis Love when he was starting on tour mentioning that he had hit the 16th at Firestone using 1 iron/3 iron.  I'd hate to think how far he'd be hitting it today if he hadn't throttled back his swing!
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2003, 09:46:15 PM »
There is no way Bobby Jones hit the 16th at Olympic in two from the current back tee.  I watched Evan (Big Cat) Williams try (hit it in the front bunker) and there is no way Jones was as long as Big Cat.
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TEPaul

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2003, 04:27:29 AM »
DougS;

Just because Davis Love 'throttled back' his swing does not mean he doesn't still have the firepower should he decide to use it.

I've followed him closely since he was a sophmore at NC and he understood very early on (on the tour) that he had to play for consistency instead of hitting everything full bore (his dedicated father/teacher was one of the genius teachers of all time for distance production). When he came to that conclusion in his second year on tour his success increased dramtically! Plus, with his overall physiognomy he clearly understood "throttling down" would unquestionably increase his longevity.

He is sort of a strange case that way though as towards the middle of his career he "throttled down" his mid to short iron swing so much it wasn't much more than a 3/4 swing. He seems to have ratched that up just a little in recent years.

I believe if John Daly had learned and applied what Love did early in his career there's no telling how successful Daly could have been (provided his personal life wasn't off the charts).

Then and still today Davis Love's arc and plane as well as his overall tempo and rhythm could be the most perfect golf swinging motion there ever has been.

Even back when Love came on tour and sort of shocked the tour world with his distance he was one of the most reticent long hitters you could imagine. So many times when fans would scream for him to unload on a driver he would put it away and go to that 1 iron (which was almost as shocking!).
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THuckaby2

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2003, 07:21:27 AM »

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There is no way Bobby Jones hit the 16th at Olympic in two from the current back tee.  I watched Evan (Big Cat) Williams try (hit it in the front bunker) and there is no way Jones was as long as Big Cat.

Joel - remember, no trees in Jones' day.  Think going straight at the hole instead of having to make the big curve around...  

TH
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texsport

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2003, 11:15:56 AM »
The 18th hole at Blaketree National in Montgomery, Texas measures 657yds. from the tips and includes an uphill tee shot with 2 huge bunkers down the right side. Second shot is semi-blind unless you carry it 320 or so uphill.

Texsport

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Erich

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2003, 11:22:19 AM »
"I believe if John Daly had learned and applied what Love did early in his career there's no telling how successful Daly could have been (provided his personal life wasn't off the charts)."

Daly: PGA Champion, British Open Champion

DLIII: PGA Champion

I think Daly was more sucessful than DL.
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Jeff Goldman

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2003, 12:34:02 PM »
Shivas would probably know more about this one, but the owners of Big Run in Lemont, Ill (old but not necessarily a classic by any meant) claim that the 9th hole hasn't been reached in 2.  I've never done it in 4.  Its 610 yds or so, downhill then uphill the last 200yds, narrow with a lot of trees on both sides, with the green set off to the right over some trees, with a big swale in it.

Jeff Goldman
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That was one hellacious beaver.

Hart Huffines

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2003, 01:42:04 PM »
Dont remember many reaching #10 at Pinehurst in
the Open.  We'll see what technology brings in
2005.
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Jeff Goldman

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Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2003, 01:47:18 PM »
shivas,

Its not only the length at Big Run; its the angle.  Woudn't the second shot be completely blind, uphill bigtime and have to either be a big fade or go over the big trees on the right?  I don't know if you ever play the course (I try to get there once a year or so just for fun), but if you do, how far can you get it down there off the tee (I know you're a big hitter)?  Can you get near the bottom of the hill?

As to GCI, I don't remember the hole.  Only played it once and thought it was a cow pasture, although that was years ago.  Boondocks for me as well.
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That was one hellacious beaver.

TEPaul

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2003, 01:58:38 PM »
Erich:

If that's the only way you look at it--maybe so.

Somehow I doubt Davis Love would want to trade his career for John Daly's. Despite those two majors I can't imagine many on tour who would.
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Guest

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2003, 02:43:52 PM »
Not only did Daly reach the 17th (second round "93 Open) he did it with a 1 iron!
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buckeye_bob

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2003, 06:20:23 PM »
#14,The Golf Club/618 yds, has yet to be conquered;however, Couples reached #4/594 yds , with driver/3 iron w/o breaking a sweat !
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Don

Re: Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2003, 05:15:31 AM »
No. 3, Oak Tree Mens Club, Edmond Oklahoma
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2007, 09:08:27 AM »
I stumbled across this old thread.  Some interesting points.  Has anything changed in the last 4 years?
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Unreachable Par 5's
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2007, 10:23:32 AM »
I was wondering the same thing, Mark.  Four years ago I was reassured that the 603 yard, uphill, generally into the wind #15 at MPCC Dunes could not be reached in two, given one time I had played it and couldn't reach in THREE.  Today I'd be very surprised if it remains unsullied.  Hopefully Mr. Huntley will see this and inquire.....

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