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[Brad Klein]

Pat, thanks for initiating this post. I'll forward it to the editor and publisher of Golfweek and let them see the range of views here on the merits (and limits) of our architecture coverage.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Brad Klein,

This site, this group represents a closed group of architectural afficionados, with limited influence in the world of golf course architecture.

Supporting a national publication that devotes space and promotes interest to a far broader audience is in our collective best interest.

I would like to see Golfweek EXPAND its coverage of golf course architecture, as I think it's a facet of the golf world that is growing in interest.

Anything that we, as participants on this site, can do to encourage, promote and expand the exposure and interest in golf course architecture is in our individual and collective best interest.

But, that's just my opinion.

[Mike_Young]

John,
I have watched Brad evolve from some type of "nuclear physics in relation to political science professor" into a full time golf architecture editor.  He is one of the fortunate few that was able to take a passion and make a living from it.  I am certain with this passion he's got a few golf tips or practice tips in there somewhere.  If he wants to write about them in relation to golf architecture I can go for that.  But where you guys need to worry is if he starts giving tips on women or food.  

[TEPaul]

Brad Klein said to John B;

"Not that I think you'll get it."

Brad:

Yep, you're right about that. No sooner had you explained it to him on here and in his next post he sure didn't get it!

Have faith though---maybe some day things will get through somehow. I know how you feel. I've been trying to educate Pat Mucci on here for about five years and after all that time his comprehension and "correct" percentage has moved from 2% to at most 7%. A 5% increase in five years isn't very good and one might think it would make me feel I'm not a good teacher.

Nothing of the kind. When you're dealing with people who have heads as impenetrable as rock and are as dumb as a stump---whatta you gonna do?

[Brad Klein]

TEP, if Mucci has indeed gone from 2% to 7% comprehension, that's not a 5% improvement; it's 350%. You need to learn the kind of creative statistical measurement techniques common to golf industry analysts.

Mike Young, my wife (whom you have never met) resents your implication about the quality of my advice vis a vis women.  

[Mike_Young]

Brad,
Of course I was excluding your wife.  I took forgranted you knew that.

[Kelly Blake Moran]

I just received my GolfWeek, I seem to be on mail delay.  I thought it interesting in the Grande Pines article it is stated: "But what makes the course unique are roly-poly greens that were propped up in classic parkland fashion- very different from the normal low lying Florida style."  

My impressions of the newer Florida courses, the dominent style has been lots of earth movement, elevated or in Brad's terminology propped up greens.  So the picture of the Grande Pines course looked like the style of course I would associate with Florida.  I contrast this with my surprise and delight with the Sweeney IMO piece about Mountain Lake.  The pictures make it look very close to the ground, Low Lying in my estimation, and it struck me that this course seemed unique and very different from the normal over shaped propped up Florida courses.  

And to continue the woman theme, I just purchased the new Renee Fleming CD, and had no idea she was such a babe!  There is a nice lowkey picture inside w/o all the makeup and puffy hair, I guess I expected someone in her business to be sized a little more like John Madden.

[Michael Wharton-Palmer]

Kelly,
You think you are on delay,
I just recieved my issue dated 1/15, with a report on the Mercedes...Brad..can I get my issues any quicker..Heaven forbid I am in Arkansas not Zimbabwe!!!

But I love the issue anyway.....

[TEPaul]

"TEP, if Mucci has indeed gone from 2% to 7% comprehension, that's not a 5% improvement; it's 350%."

Brad:

Oh Jeeesus, I guess you're right about that. I've never been much of a mathmetician. I guess there's probably not much more hope for Pat then!

[Patrick_Mucci]

Kelly Blake Moran,

I would suspect that the water table and drainage have a great deal to do with green design and construction in Florida.

I'm not familiar with the property the golf course sits on.
Perhaps people who have played it could provide some insight.

With respect to Mountain Lakes, perhaps Mike Sweeney and others who are familiar with that property could provide some insight on those green sites as well.

TEPaul,

As your Trustee and Guardian, it's important that I continue to improve your understanding of golf course architecture.

Allowing the pupil to feel that HE knows more than the teacher is but one method that I've used successfully.
Allowing the pupil to feel that HE'S helping, informing and educating the teacher is merely another.

You continue to make progress as the illusion continues to work, without the slightest chance of discovery on your part.

Didn't you tell me that Tom Doak was an All American football player at SMU in the 40's ?

Didn't you tell me that Pete Dye and Joe Dey were identical twin brothers and that their mother just spelled their names differently so she'd be able to recognize them when she asked them to write their names.

Didn't you tell me that Cape Holes were the product of Zorro's closet and moths ?

That a road hole was an out of town, dive bar ?

That Yale was a padlock ?

Did you ever tell Paul Turner and Tom MacWood that you were blue-red color blind ?

Has anyone, other then myself, ever been to that FARM you claim you live on.  The one with the steel gates and barbed wire and all of those farmhands who wear white coats ?

Brad Klein,

Has your magazine ever considered an article on TEPaul, golf's idiot savant ?

[Brad Klein]

Pat,

no