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Steve_ Shaffer

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C&C at WeKoPa, AZ
« on: January 20, 2005, 03:31:49 PM »
This is great news for the AZ golf scene.I posted this under the previous thread "Potential Bill Coore Project" but it may get lost there so here it is again:

It's not potential anymore:

From today's East Valley Tribune

Sports Update
We-Ko-Pa to add another 18 holes  
By Bill Huffman, For the Tribune
The East Valley will add yet another upscale golf course in 2006, when We-Ko-Pa on the Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation debuts its second layout near Fountain Hills.

According to Jeff Lessig, the general manager at We-Ko-Pa, a deal has been struck with the noted architectural team of Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw to design the second course.

"We have a verbal agreement. In fact, Bill Coore already has been out here seven or eight times walking the (proposed) property,’’ Lessig confirmed. "(The new course) will be located to the north of the existing 18 holes and served out of the same clubhouse.’’

When the second course opens sometime next spring, it will be the first upscale course built in the East Valley in the past four years. The last high-end, daily-fees course built in that area was the Faldo Course at Wildfire, which opened in January 2002, shortly after We-Ko-Pa opened in December 2001.

Coore and Crenshaw, whose only other effort in Arizona is Talking Stick Golf Club on the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community near Scottsdale, are known for their minimalist layouts, meaning they fit the course to the lay of the land.

Coore, whose office is in Austin, Texas, but lives in Scottsdale, called the We-Ko-Pa assignment a "big challenge.’’

"The first course is so special, and has been so wonderfully received, that we want (the second course) to be a complement, not a competition,’’ Coore said of the original Scott Miller design. "It’s a tall order, just like what we’re doing now with the (third course) at Bandon Dunes.’’

Crenshaw and Coore’s other works include Barton Creek in Austin, Cuscowilla in Georgia, the Sand Hills in Nebraska and the Plantation Course at Kapalua on the Hawaiian island of Maui.

Coore said it’s too early to say just what the second course at We-Ko-Pa will look like when it’s finished.

"This is such a quality piece of property, and we’re trying to spend as much time as we can on it to get the best sense of what we’re going to do,’’ he said. "We have some ideas on what a few of the holes will look like, but not how they are going to be linked together.’’

Coore said he hoped routing plans would be finalized and approved by the Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation and O.B. Sports, which manages We-Ko-Pa, sometime in March. Construction would then start in July or August.

"The property that is being set aside for the second course is different from the first course,’’ he said of the land, which has more elevation. "So we try to let the site guide us as to what style of course we’re going to build. . . .

"I think even if Scott Miller were to have done this course, it would be different than the first one.’’

Lessig said that Coore and Crenshaw were the winners in a derby that saw 14 architects — "the cream of the crop’’ — present possible scenarios for the second course. The list was then narrowed to four architects, with Coore and Crenshaw getting the nod.

"They’ll have a free hand in its design,’’ Lessig said. "Our goal is to have another 18 holes equal in quality to what we have but different visually in its style.’’

The second course at We-Ko-Pa is a continuation of plans to enhance the Fort McDowell community’s casino complex. It also includes a 247-room Radisson resort, which is under construction between the casino and the golf course. The resort will be completed later this fall.

Lessig said that while he agrees that Arizona has too many courses (almost 400), We-Ko-Pa is slightly different than its competition.

"We’ve exceeded our expectations here in the past two years,’’ he said. "We’re not necessarily at 100 percent capacity, but we’re not chasing rounds.’’

In addition, Lessig said, costs to build the second course cannot be compared with what it would cost to build on public land, as the Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation already owns the land and water rights. That means the only costs for a second course would be for construction and the fee for Coore and Crenshaw.

"And there’s just no way to know what those final numbers will be yet,’’ Lessig said.  
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:C&C at WeKoPa, AZ
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2005, 06:08:42 PM »
I understand from a reliable source that the 3 other finalists for the job were Scott Miller, who did WeKoPa1; Weiskopf and.................................................................................................................Tom Doak.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:C&C at WeKoPa, AZ
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2005, 07:12:02 PM »
WKP is not the sad little indian casino that Apache is but it is not much better.  I stayed at WKP, gambled there and played golf there.  

I want to agree with Bill as I thought the course was worthy and MUCH better than the resort.  If they add another quality course (CC and clan) WKP will then certainly be a force in the public resort rankings, not only in AZ but nationally.

JC

Matt_Ward

Re:C&C at WeKoPa, AZ
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2005, 07:22:03 PM »
Hats off to the folks at We-Ko-Pa because a second 18 there will be a major coupe.

I knew Jeff Lessig when he was at Superstition Springs before he treked over to Sun Ridge Canyon and eventually now at We-Ko-Pa. The team of people at We-Ko-Pa should not be underestimated because the existing 18 is very well done.

Throw in another 18 and the possibility for some serious national attention is close at hand.

We shall see ...

P.S. The smart move in doing multiple courses is engaging different architects in order to differentiate what the facility has. Mike Keiser did this so well in the branding process at Bandon -- I would say that other facilities should also consider such a move.

Tom_Doak

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Re:C&C at WeKoPa, AZ
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2005, 09:52:56 AM »
Um .................... Steve S.:

Actually, we were the fourth finalist chosen to bid on the project, but we declined to bid on it.  We're just committed to too many other projects right now to take on that one.  I never even had time to get out and have a look at the land; my trip to New Zealand and Australia got in the way.

I am glad to hear that Bill and Ben got the job.  On a couple of occasions in the past, they've referred work to us when they were too busy, so it was a nice change to step aside knowing that they might get the job.

I do appreciate that Jeff Lessig did not name-drop on the other architects that were passed over ... that always comes off as a cheap publicity stunt.  The reality is that every other architect was passed over; naming names of others interviewed is just an attempt to get some extra juice out of the announcement.