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RJ_Daley

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2005, 03:18:41 PM »
Tony, could we be looking at a concerted conspiratorial effort to keep us foreigners out of that bit of paradise you enjoy? ;) ;D

Do they have as many nature series on your television, almost nightly, documenting all the deadly venomous critters they claim are about in your paddocks and homesteads.  I mean, they always show the deadly funnel web crawling in shoes, and the TV shots of the children wandering out just on the edge of their yards into tall grass and the ominous music plays - portending an imminent strike of the deadly snake.  Irwin has one episode where he is banging around in his home garage chasing a slippery Brown Snake, which had taken up a comfy residence inside the engine compartment of his car.  There he was with his infant child being held by his equally daredevil and lovely wife, capturing the viper and having a little pet of the snakes crown, before lovingly placing the snake back in the neighbor's tall grass. ;) ::)  I'm telling you Tony, they never let up on our TV programing on what you seem to be indicating is a grand pulling of our leg.  BTW, do you wear one of those scary looking 14inch toad stickers in a scabbard on your leg like Mick Dundee?  How many crocs have you personally dispatched? :o ;D 8)
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Chris Kane

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2005, 03:50:45 PM »
RJ, there might be one show like that per week.  Noone knew who Steve Irwin was until he became huge in America!


tonyt

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2005, 03:58:22 PM »
I guess that chasing a brown Snake is what made such an episode worthy of TV. You wouldn't watch a show of people just sitting on the sofa. You have to show something nobody would ever see for themselves :)

Honestly, sea creatures included, we have it all down here! And many a golf club is wise to warn of looking for balls in long grass. But my analogy using rattlesnakes and scorpions is apt. They are in the US, but they are not to make wary any overseas visitor to your shores. You have to look for them in places nobody goes.

Imagine hearing that foreigners were cancelling a US vacation because they had it confirmed for them that rattlesnakes and scorpions are over there. Or that we told a friend living in Orlando that he was brave (or desensitized) to be in that country for the same reason. That is how some of us Aussies are feeling at reading this thread!

JLahrman

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2005, 06:10:01 PM »
Living in Australia a couple of years ago with a girl who was deathly afraid of spiders, I would give her grief when she called me to kill any spiders that turned up in the house.  None were too bad, nothing any bigger than anything we have in the US.

One day I was home alone, and on the wall I spied the biggest damn spider I've ever seen.  For a minute I thought she had bought a huge plastic toy spider and affixed it there to get even with me for teasing her.  Closer inspection showed it was real.  Poisonous?  I have no idea.  And the spider was not around long enough to ask.  I wear size 14 shoes, and I needed the square footage to whack this thing to death.  It was immense.  Didn't freak me out too much, but the thought of running into one of his ten brothers that were no doubt lurking about was not too comforting at night.
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paul cowley

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2005, 07:58:54 PM »
From what I'm reading , the lowcountry where I reside [south georgia ] has more potential fear factor than what I assumed Austrailia had .......I routinely wear snake boots when starting a project in the field. I loose track of how many mean cottonmouths , cane brake, pygmy and diamond back rattlesnakes AND copperheads I encounter and / or dispatch annually,[this is in the 10 to 20 range ,not hundreds ].....last year I even had half a coral snake come out of a lighter stump I was cutting......big banana spiders [non-venomous , but 5 or more inches ] ,hang from eye level in 8' webs throughout the woods....but the one to be aware of is the brown recluse , whose bite ,while not deadly , will leave large necrotic festerings for months....I don't always see  the many lesser catterpillers ,centipedes , spiders etc., but do try to guess what they might have been by my  reactions to their bites....fire ants really don't rate a sentence...but alligaters do.
  And this is coming from a long lost yankee from the catskills whose youthfull experience with bad things was confined to mosquitos and no-seeums.

....but I love it here but can't wait to make the big trip to OZ ![why is it refered to as that?]...no worries , just right. ;) right?
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2005, 08:10:07 PM »
I keep on reading the title of this thread and I'm thinking David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars!

Matt_Sullivan

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2005, 12:36:59 AM »
Here in Singapore at my home club (Laguna National) we have cobras. Two weeks ago, one of my playing partners killed a cobra with a driver. Aiyah!! as we say here. Bugger me, as we would say in Australia.

The cobras are relatively hard to eradicate, since they usually don't eat carrion (so poisoned dead rats don't work). The club cuts back the undergrowth in the cobra-heavy areas and calls in a snake charmer/specialist/wrangler to catch them.

That was my second encounter with snakes in a month. On a recent trip home to Australia I was playing New South Wales. Pushed my driver on the fiftennth into the scrub to the right of the fairway. As I was about to head on in to search for my ball, the group playing the adjacent 16th yelled out not to go in as they had just seen a brown snake (very deadly) just where I was about to look. So I dropped on ein the middle of the fairway and played on!!

Brian Walshe

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2005, 04:19:06 AM »
One of the funniest things I've ever seen was a friend of mine walking into a bunker at the Alice Springs golf course years ago.  He suddenly starts flailing away with his wedge and I thought that as he'd been having a bad day, to top it off he'd got a plugged lie and had a complete plot loss.  Turns out he was killing a Brown Snake who took offense to him entering "his" bunker.  It was very funny.

The guy got his own back a few weeks later.  We were walking down a dry creek bed in the middle of nowhere and and I was leading.  I looked behind to speak to him and as I looked forward again I saw something out of the corner of my eye and paused mid stride.  I was about to stand on about 5 foot of goanna.  Scared the living crap out of me and the big joke later was working out who jumped higher and ran faster, me or the goanna.

Sean Walsh

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2005, 07:09:02 AM »
For those Americans on site (and I think I am safe in saying this is the general Australian view) Steve Irwin is a wanker(Australian slang for idiot with crude connotations).

For the New Zealanders you know what a wanker is because it's what we used to call Sir Richard.  By the way just back from the cricket, Chris Cairns can definitely hit a ball. (Americans: think Mark Maguire with the physique of a tight end).  

Paul,
Re OZ.  Australians are quite renowned for shortening everything.  Generally can't be bothered in saying the whole word.  So Australian becomes Aussie (pronounced oZZie not ossssie), which means Australia becomes Oz.  Simple..

JAL the spider you killed was most likely a huntsman.  Absolutely harmless.  


Brad Swanson

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2005, 09:55:40 AM »
JAL the spider you killed was most likely a huntsman.  Absolutely harmless.  

Sean,
   Harmless provided you have a healthy ticker.  If I ran into a spider the size of a dinner plate (as I've heard the Huntsman can get pretty big), I'd have a coronary on the spot!  I don't have a phobia of snakes, though, just a healthy respect for their venom.

Cheers,
Brad Swanson

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2005, 09:56:11 AM »
More movie quotes.

"Asps. Very dangerous. [pause] You go first."



Dick Daley,

I saw the same "Crocodile Hunter" episode as you, but I think he was simply listing the 10 most dangerous snakes in Oz only, not the world, although I'm sure a few make the world list.

JohnV

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2005, 10:18:56 AM »
A couple of snake stories from Oz and the Far East:

Shortly after they were married, my mother and father moved to Australia.  Over the period of a couple of years there, they lived in the Brisbane and Sydney areas.  My mother worked in a small office and walked to work.  She would frequently cut across a small field rather than walk around it on the roads.  Her co-workers told her that there were snakes out there, but she just poo-pooed it.  One day she came to work and opened her desk and there were three dead snakes in the drawer.  One of her co-workers had killed them in the field and left them there for her.  Needless to say, she walked around the field for the rest of their stay there.

During their time in Oz, she got pregnant with me and moved back to England where I was born.  Perhaps this is why I have a healthy respect (some would say fear) for snakes. ;)

My father had to make a few trips to Penang in Malayasia back in the 1970s to visit manufacturing plants run by Intel and other semi-conductor companies.  He told me how they would send the men into the plants first in the morning to chase the cobras out before the women came in to work.

Sean Walsh

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2005, 09:01:45 PM »
Re most venomous I think it depends on how it is calculated.  

i.e a lot of venom or the strongest venom.

From memory I have seen on nature shows that Australia has 6or7 of the top ten.

Now not to scare anyone but the following is a story from my childhood and not I would imagine a common Autralian experience.

When I was five we moved from our farm in south west Victoria to another farm in Nothern Victoria.  The new farm was on good land but was run down from the previous occupant.  When we arrived there was junk evrerywhere, including long grass and piles of wood.  In short a wonderful habitat for the local reptiles.

In the first year of our tenure on the farm my father killed 26 snakes.  Either Tiger Snakes or Brown Snakes.  In the 25+ years since then I think he would have seen about 15-20.

I should note it is now illegal to kill most if not all of our native snakes.  


tonyt

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2005, 02:52:08 PM »
JAL the spider you killed was most likely a huntsman.  Absolutely harmless.  

Sean,
   Harmless provided you have a healthy ticker.  If I ran into a spider the size of a dinner plate (as I've heard the Huntsman can get pretty big), I'd have a coronary on the spot!  I don't have a phobia of snakes, though, just a healthy respect for their venom.

Cheers,
Brad Swanson

Brad,

Half the size of a man's hand. Admittedly, not tiny for an arachnophobe. But hardly "dinner plate" material. If they were that big, I'd be living over there with you guys.

The most venomous snake on the planet I believe is the Inland Taipan (formerly known as the "fierce snake"). It lives in remote areas of the desert, so much so that it wasn't finally identified and named until the 1980s. It kills only marginally slower than a high coverage wrap around from our Box Jellyfish, but that's another story...

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2005, 03:18:23 PM »
Tony,

You are absolutely right. See:

http://www.manbir-online.com/htm2/snake.22.htm

However, although not the most highly toxic, I do feel that the dreaded Expecterier Trouserius (Trouser Snake) has caused more damage, injury, heartache than the rest of 'em put together.

Shane Gurnett

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2005, 04:09:16 PM »
Bob, I believe you are correct. The native variety is referred to as the "One Eyed Trouser Snake". Harmless to most, however has been known to inflict damage upon many a drunken female backpacker, particuarly the Nordic variety. Its venom is harmless if contained in an appropriate rubber receptical.


Mark_Guiniven

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2005, 04:30:49 PM »
And they said golfclubatlas couldn't be taken to new lows Shane :)

Chris Kane

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2005, 04:32:05 PM »
Mark, you should have seen the first draft of that post   ;)

Mark_Guiniven

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2005, 04:43:02 PM »

In the words of Al Czervik, what time are you two due back in Boy's Town...  :P

harley_kruse

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2005, 06:08:40 PM »
Crikey!!!!!  you blokes really crack me up!!!


blasbe1

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2005, 01:28:31 PM »
Jason, yours is a lock for post of the year 2005.  It is probably the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum.  Where did you get the idea from?

Chris:

Truth is often stranger than fiction.   ;D

blasbe1

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2005, 01:37:39 PM »
I just came across these posts.  I AM ABSOLUTELY NEVER GOING TO AUSTRALIA.  I don't care if Huntsman spiders are not harmless, I would have a heart attack if I saw one and knowing that there was even a remote chance of seeing one is totally giving me the willies right now.   YUK YUK YUK

Jason's wife, Laura   :-[

blasbe1

Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2005, 01:40:40 PM »
Guess the trip to Australia is out  :'(

Jeff Goldman

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2005, 04:28:17 PM »
This stuff is clearly not limited to Oz.  I recall a very big condo project (holes everywhere arranged in a big rectangle) for The Folks Without Shoulders in the light rough of the 11th (?) hole at Rustic during KPIII.  Luckily, the owners were apparently still gone to winter homes.  
That was one hellacious beaver.

Shane Gurnett

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Re:Spiders in Australia and New Zealand
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2005, 08:13:55 PM »
Jason,

The solution is to leave your wife at home, or find a new wife.

Golf is more important than spiders and snakes.

Shane

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