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Patrick_Mucci

Re:10 courses that most typify the minimalist/renaissance design era thus far
« Reply #100 on: December 21, 2004, 10:27:45 PM »
Michael Moore,

I think it proves one of my points.

ed_getka

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Re:10 courses that most typify the minimalist/renaissance design era thus far
« Reply #101 on: December 21, 2004, 11:06:58 PM »
Michael,
  Thats pointillism,not minimalism.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:10 courses that most typify the minimalist/renaissance design era thus far
« Reply #102 on: December 22, 2004, 03:52:27 AM »
Pat,
You think my focus is blurry and I think your focus is blurry and its beyond me were your getting your logic, so lets just agree to leave it at that!  ;)

You said Ken was “actively soliciting members” and now you are talking about “marketing” and I know in this case there is a big difference because however Ken is membering Friar’s Head I know it’s not by actively soliciting members!

As to why Ken agreed to do both the Links and Met Golfer articles, I actually know that he had a number of reasons other than what you might think because I asked him why when they came out because I felt the same as you.  I didn’t understand.  

Now I do.

I don’t think it’s my place to share Ken’s thoughts because he told them to me in CONFIDENCE, but I do think it’s fair to say that he really didn’t want to do either from the club’s perspective but was swayed by other factors and at least one of those factors was similar I believe to why he gave Ran the photos for his review.  

The one thing I think I can say is that Ken has a great deal of respect for C&C as you might imagine and wants to make sure that their work at FH gets seen for their benefit as long as it doesn’t jeopardize the club’s privacy which is why he doesn’t allow raters to play the golf course unless they are an invited guest of a member.  

If you think it’s all about marketing, you should ask yourself why he has shunned almost all other publicity!

Ok, here are a number of pictures that I just lifted off the first few pages of this DG and converted to B&W for comparison.  Seems to me like many of these pictures look better in color and the reason is that these pictures don’t reveal any more in black and white than they do in color.  What do you think?  You keep saying that you like color photos better, but everybody else likes B&W, so what do others think?















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I don't want to see pretty pictures.
I want to see pictures that will present the golf course as my eye sees it, and not some polarized version.  I think the pictures of NGLA, Hidden Creek and others do just that.

Pat, You just don’t get my perspective.  You want to see a color photo that doesn’t show the work of the architect on the ground, and I want to see B&W in certain instances when they can be more revealing.  I understand what you want, but I don’t think you understand my perspective or maybe you understand it and just don’t respect it?

I made this an issue about Friar’s Head?  Pat, your the one making the bold accusations.

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To deny that "most favored nation" status doesn't exist is to admit that you're "blinded by the light".

Those are your words.  I will continue to sing the praises of courses like Friar’s Head and you can continue to sing the praises of courses like Sandpines and the Rees’ restoration work at courses like Baltusrol, etc.

Here are my Sandpines images:






Mike_Cirba

Re:10 courses that most typify the minimalist/renaissance design era thus far
« Reply #103 on: December 22, 2004, 09:45:46 AM »
Tom;

Sandpines looks completely ageless and timeless on the B&W photos.  

As in, they shouldn't be part of any age and I get the sense that I'd be wasting my time to go there to play it.   ;D  

The mounds in particular look really moundy in grey tones.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:10 courses that most typify the minimalist/renaissance design era thus far
« Reply #104 on: December 22, 2004, 10:07:09 AM »
Tommy Naccarato,

Why did you conveniently leave out the photo of the 7th hole bunker ?  The one I specifically requested ?

You're consumed by your bias.
Posting pictures of the Ocean holes at Cypress is certainly not representative of the site at Sandpines, especially the one with the water tower.

Why do I never see pictures of the water tower at Friar's Head, or did you miss one of the tallest structures/elevations on the North Fork ?  What a convenient oversight on your part.

The 11th hole bunker at Sandpines looks terrific in B&W.

Why did you choose to add your photo of the retention resevoir from an angle/perspective never seen on the golf course ?

Why not show the golf course and its features as they appear to the golfer and not to someone trying to denegrate the golf course by deliberately and disengenuously taking photos from awkward angles ?

I could do the same thing with the bunker to the left of
# 7 green at NGLA.  I could take a picture from behind or beside it, and you and everyone else would be critical of that bunker.   Until of course, you viewed it from the golfers eye/perspective, AND found out that it was a NGLA bunker.

Everyone seems to agree that Friar's Head is a wonderful, world class golf course and that Ken and C&C did a terrific job. Noone's debating that.  But, if you want to sugar coat or overlook the reality of the situation, that's okay by me.

Post the first picture Michael Dugger recently posted of the bunker on the 7th fairway, in B&W, and let's see for ourselves how it looks.

"Above all things, ........

P.S.  Would you cite for me, exactly where I said that Ken actively solicits memberships ?

I did say that Rees doesn't actively seek memberships.
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