Met Golfer Article re: Sebonack w/ Routing

[SPDB]

This is an article in the most recent issue of Met Golfer that features a routing of Sebonack overlaid on an aerial which also shows the contiguous NGLA and SHCC layouts. I sent it to TommyN to see if he can turn the PDF into a postable pic, but have not heard from him yet.

Link to the article HERE

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Sorry I haven't gotten on-line ntil just a bit ago. I'm in Vegas. (More on that one later)

I'll post it on Sunday night.

[Dan Kelly]

Good story.

You've gotta like a guy who says: "The turf here's going to be so good, rocks'll grow."

[SPDB]

I think some attribution should be made. It would seem that,
since they've offered it for download on their website, that
the article falls under fair use. Nevertheless, I've asked
MGA for permission to use the image. I haven't received any
response yet, but at the very least, the source should be
identified.

[George Pazin]

Sean -

Let me know if they say no - I'll take it down.

Thanks for the link. Fun read.

[SPDB]

Thought it would be fun to post some routing maps
of other Doak courses to see how they compare to
a map on a course where it is not merely Doak making
making the decisions.

[I realize that this is likely no less a potential copyright
violation than the posting of the MGA article, but most of
these have been posted on here before]

Harmony Club


Pacific Dunes


Wilderness Valley


Beechtree


Quail Crossing


Barnbougle

[Doug Siebert]

So that 300 acres on the ocean on Long Island was only $45 million?  That's only $150K/acre, how is that possible?  I paid more than that per acre for a residential lot of 1.15 acres in Iowa earlier this year.  You'd think the union that owned it before isn't going to make him any sweetheart deals just because he's not putting in the 65 homes it is zoned for.  I would have thought land like that zoned for 4-5 acre lots would be going for at least a half million an acre or more, maybe Long Island wouldn't be as out of my price range as I'd think.  Granted, the houses that would go on those 4-5 acre ocean view lots would have been a bit more pricey than the house I'm going to build

[Dan Kelly]

So that 300 acres on the ocean on Long Island was only $45 million?  That's only $150K/acre, how is that possible?  I paid more than that per acre for a residential lot of 1.15 acres in Iowa earlier this year.

Is this heaven?

No, it's Long Island.

[Mike Hendren]

Is is just me or does Sebonack look awfully green?  Blame it on The Augusta National Golf Club.

Mike

[Patrick_Mucci]

Doug Siebert,

It's not on the Ocean, it's on Peconic Bay.

You're right, $ 150,000 per acre is cheap, especially in those neighborhoods, but, when use of the land might be prevented or restricted, $ 45,000,000 isn't peanuts, especially when you consider the intended end use.

[TEPaul]

"Do the Jack holes just jump off the page or what... "

John B:

No----which ones are the "Jack" holes?

[Brad Swanson]

"Do the Jack holes just jump off the page or what... "

John B:

No----which ones are the "Jack" holes?

Ignoring my sense of better judgement, I'll take a stab at it.  

#7 and #8 perhaps?  Just a guess.

Cheers,
Brad Swanson

[Jeff_Mingay]

I hesitate to get involved with one of these debates. But, all I can say here is, be careful to interpret that routing map posted literally. I'd bet a lot of money that bunkers illustrated on the map won't be constructed as shown. Etc., etc.

In other words, to attempt to call out "Jack holes" from that map would be an excercise in stupidity.

[cary lichtenstein]

Here is a brand new course, underconstruction, no one has seen it, and already it is being critized. Ease up guys, maybe it will be terrific. They sure are trying to make it that way.

[Brad Swanson]

I hesitate to get involved with one of these debates. But, all I can say here is, be careful to interpret that routing map posted literally. I'd bet a lot of money that bunkers illustrated on the map won't be constructed as shown. Etc., etc.

In other words, to attempt to call out "Jack holes" from that map would be an excercise in stupidity.

Jeff,
   So you don't think that evaulating strictly from what is shown in this picture/map that #8 does not look like #12 at Augusta, which Jack has emulated elsewhere (like at Muirfield Village)?  I made no qualitative jusgement of the holes, I just made a guess at ones which looked familiar to other holes Nicklaus Design has done in the past.
   Also, is this really any more stupid than the regular discussions we've had regarding matters similar to the following.

"What if National Golf LInks was teleported to Alaska and everyone was forced to play hickory clubs from the opposite side of the ball while blindfolded, would we love it so much?"

Cheers,
Brad Swanson

P.S. Still ignoring my sense of better judgement

[rgkeller]

Well, so much for "width" as a design feature of Sebonack.

[Brad Swanson]

Just for reference sake, if one happened to be playing Shinnecok a few months ago and saw some large piles of dirt and a bit of tree clearing beyond NGLA, does anyone know what are/hole that would correspond to on this routing?

Cheers,
Brad Swanson

[Jeff_Mingay]

Brad,

I didn't intend for my initial post here to come across harsh.

All I mean is, this seems to be a preliminary routing map. Knowing the way Doak and his guys work (and probably Jack's too) much will change as construction progresses.

For example, the preliminary routing map for Blackhawk GC is a joke. I tease Rod that some day, 75 years from now, some smart kid will attempt to "restore" Blackhawk according to that map! Yikes! (Let's hope not.)

I doubt the Sebonack map we see here indicates much about the design of the holes other than their placement and direction.  

[George Pazin]

Jeff's point is right. Tom himself has said that the Barnbougle routing is substantially different from the routing posted. I don't think they've posted an updated routing yet (for Barnbougle).

[Gary_Nelson]

The routing map shows access roads bisecting holes #7 and #9.  Is this still the plan?  It seems that the road should be rerouted so as not to interfere with the golf.

Or... maybe that's a new architecture feature?

[Chris Munoz]

Here is a brand new course, underconstruction, no one has seen it, and already it is being critized. Ease up guys, maybe it will be terrific. They sure are trying to make it that way.

I totally agree with what Cary.  I have been on the site and I can tell you this, it's going to be awesome.  If one hasn't been on the propery, I would keep my mouth closed.  For as the routing, they are already changing some it.  It always happens in every new course.  Don't believe the routing plan that was posted earlier.  

Chris

[Punchbowl]

Slices on the first hole are going to hit the National Pro Shop....

[Brian_Gracely]

Slices on the first hole are going to hit the National Pro Shop....

Is it appropriate to yell "FORE" to another course?  And if the folks at NGLA don't feel that the folks at SGC are up to their social standards, will they bother listening?

[bstark]

  I was playing Southampton GC once and almost got winged by a severe slice/shank from Shinnecock. Never heard boo from next door.
  Here's another good one. Guy's in his car cruising on Sunrise Highway one Sun. morning and takes a Pro V right across his windshield. Car screams to a halt and the guy comes busting through the hedge at Southampton GC and confronts a member about who's gonna pay for a new windshield. Our member has no idea who did it because the offender was already on the next hole. He thinks quickly and tellls the pissed off guy, "see that big white clubhouse with the nice flag, go over there and ask for the manager, he'll take care of you." The joke was on the guy since our member had sent him to  big white clubhouse at Shinnecock NOT SOUTHAMPTON where they were playing.
  Turns out the two managers from both clubs got a big laugh out of it. Guess the guy had to come out of pocket for the windshield.

[Tyler Kearns]

Routing PLAN, not map.

TK