This is an interesting question. It is pretty well agreed that Pete Dye was the architect who started the move away from the RTJ style which dominated the post war "dark ages." On that basis alone he should be lionized on this board. In terms of working style, his legendary willingness to move on to the site and spend every day working on the ground, operating machinery etc. is the model which is advanced by many of our most respected posters. His ability to control the pros without resorting to outlandishly long courses is rare. The number of really good courses he has designed and built is without parallel among current architects: TPC Sawgrass, Harbor Town, Long Cove, Casa de Campo, Blackwolf Run, Whistling Straits, The Golf Club just as starters. He has trained a number of our favorites all of whom speak highly of him and his work. But Barney is right; Pete Dye is rarely mentioned when we discuss the "best" architects. I suspect there are several reasons. First, I think that Pete's work is a little too recent to be considered a "master" but he is not part of the new wave and thus we don't focus on him. In a few years I will not be shocked if his work is more highly rated. Second, by not clearly delineating his work from the work of PB, he has diluted the "brand". In this case, based on my observation, the work of the father is of a different caliber than that of the son. Third, his work often has a more manufactured look than that which is popular among this group. There are some exceptions but Pete moves a lot of dirt and it is apparent. Perhaps age will soften the look of some of these courses but I do not believe he will approach the natural look of many of our favorites. Finally, and perhaps most significantly, his courses are hard and I don't think many of us like really hard golf courses. Of course there are exceptions such as Shinnecock but most of them are older with established reputations. I carry a handicap that is much lower than Jeff Goldman's but I concur in his observation; if you check your ego on the first tee and play conservatively, most of the Dye courses I have played are difficult but manageable. I think he has an important place in the history of this discipline. However I must confess that the manufactured look of many of his courses is a turn off for me and lowers him in my very personal rating. He still has a very high place.