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The Shadow Creek Experience
« on: October 21, 2004, 09:30:53 AM »
Golfers must experience Vegas' Shadow Creek
By JOHN REGER
The Orange County Register  10/19/04

Most golfers have courses on their list they want to check off before their playing careers are over.

There are the obvious ones that are accessible to every golfer, the only deterrent being time and money. Courses like Pebble Beach, Pinehurst, and St. Andrews are all on golfers' short lists.

Then there are the courses that purists fantasize about playing. The names are instantly recognizable, but the chances of getting on them are slim. Augusta National, Pine Valley and Cypress Point are courses that you are lucky to see, much less play.

Shadow Creek is a course that is almost as exclusive, but it is possible to get onto the course and play, though it is a bit tricky.

You can't just drive up to the gate and ask where to park your car. In fact, the only way guests get into the club is by limousine, and that vehicle stops only at The Mirage, MGM Grand, Bellagio, Treasure Island or New York, New York hotels in Las Vegas. Tee times are available on a limited basis Monday through Thursday.

It is one of those experiences that golfers should take advantage of. Two weekend rounds at Pelican Hill Golf Club in Newport Coast will pay for a single round at Shadow Creek, and it is well worth it. The experience begins the minute the limo pulls up to the hotel. Clubs are loaded in the trunk, snacks, drinks and water are provided in the back of the limo, and music plays for the 20-minute trip.

When the course was designed by Tom Fazio in 1989, the only thing near it was Nellis Air Force Base. Military air bases are not the best neighbors for golf courses, but the two have coexisted peacefully.

It really is inconceivable if you look at aerial shots of the area to think that anyone would build a golf course out there. It is literally in the middle of nowhere, 20 minutes from the Strip, surrounded by nothing but desert, with a few scrubby bushes.

Steve Wynn, who commissioned Fazio to build the course, told him he wanted something spectacular, and Fazio certainly complied.

Millions of cubic feet of earth were trucked in to make the mounds and hills that are featured on every hole, making it feel like a resort course you would find in North Carolina. Several different varieties of trees, including pines and oaks, give the pheasants that live on the course shade in the summer months.

Summer is when it's easiest to get on. The course still costs $500 to play, but during the cooler months it is tougher to get a tee time.

If you manage to get a time, expect to be pampered. The caddies are some of the best I have ever seen and include PGA Tour player Chris Riley's brother. They are dressed in white coveralls even when temperatures are in triple digits and usually come from some of the best country clubs around the nation. I wasn't given the wrong club once, and my caddie was a master at reading the greens.

Before you even tee off, go into the men's locker room and look around. The most stunning thing is the names on the lockers. Michael Jordan, Phil Mickelson, Bill Gates, Joe Pesci, Wayne Gretzky and Tiger Woods are some of the people who have memberships at the club. (Don't bother to bring a camera; you're not allowed to take pictures anywhere at the course.)

You warm up for your round at a small driving range, right next to the first tee. The idea is simple, yet so logical. When you are done hitting range balls, you walk about 50 yards to the first tee.

At the first tee you realize why this is such a good course. It is a 404-yard par-4 with a creek on the left side. It is framed by trees at the tee box and doglegs ever so slightly to the left.

No two holes are alike, and it wasn't like any other course I have played. I like distinctive golf courses.

Despite being in a desert, water is featured on eight of the holes. The most notable is the 17th hole, the course's signature hole and one of the prettiest par-3s I have ever seen.

Two-time Masters winner Ben Crenshaw, who has a home in Dana Point, called the 17th hole a "visual delight."

It is 164 yards from the back tee, downhill to an island green that has a pond in front and a waterfall in the back.

The 18th is one of the better finishing holes I have played. It is a par-5, which I like for a final hole, and is 527 yards long.

It is reachable, another feature I prefer, but is also tight and has water guarding the right side and the front of the green.

Look over to the right when you are on the green and you will see Steve Wynn's house. Even though he doesn't own the course any longer, he continues to be the only resident.

After our round, my friend Andre and I sat in the grill room and listened to some of the stories about the club. Like the time Wayne Gretzky was watching the Masters and his friend Mike Weir won. Someone else in the room prodded Gretzky to call Augusta National and try to get in touch with Weir, which he eventually did, offering his congratulations as the rest of the crowd listened in.

Then there is the one about President Bush playing and some fighter jets from Nellis flying by. Bush stopped and saluted as they flew over.

When the course was built it was unique, and 15 years later there's still no place like it.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2004, 09:31:17 AM by Noel Freeman »

RJ_Daley

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2004, 10:22:56 AM »
Dear John Regger...

ZZZZZZZZZZZ ::)
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THuckaby2

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2004, 10:42:26 AM »
RJD:

Really?

I think John captured the experience very well.  Or are your zzzzz's about that?  If so, you have become far too jaded for how I know you really are.  (Try to make sense out of that).   ;) People can and do argue about the architectural quality of Shadow Creek - that's fair enough.  But anyone who says playing there is anything but an incredible experience is just kidding themselves.

TH

Jim Franklin

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2004, 10:43:33 AM »
I can't wait to play Shadow Creek again.
Mr Hurricane

A_Clay_Man

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2004, 10:48:51 AM »
RJ, It didn't put me to sleep. I was fascinated by the inaccuracies and the half stories. Truckloads of dirt? I was under the impression that they dug-out the 300 acre site and used that dirt. The president saluting jets that flew over? He called for them, in the missing man formation, then turned to his playing partners (Kenny Rodgers?) and smirked "one of the perks of the job".

And,

Why didn't he use Chi Chi's quote about #17?

NAF

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2004, 10:53:35 AM »
I was told a story that Michael Jackson stared reflectively for hours at the waterfall on the 17th right before flying back to Santa Barbara to be charged.  Guests were shocked to cross over the little creek onto the green and see him there.

Just think Tom Fazio's creation was providing inspiration for the king of pop.

ForkaB

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2004, 10:59:27 AM »
I was told a story that Michael Jackson stared reflectively for hours at the waterfall on the 17th right before flying back to Santa Barbara to be charged.  

Was that AC or DC?

Scott_Burroughs

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2004, 11:02:22 AM »
Noel,

And here I thought this was going to be your experience we were going to be told about!

Matt_Ward

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2004, 11:03:00 AM »
Noel:

I have had the pleasure in playing Shadow Creek when Wynn ran the place and another time after he sold it.

The issue for me is that Shadow Creek is really about how it came into existence. The determination by Wynn and his collaboration with Tom Fazio is really what makes the place so unique. The ole man takes what's there and makes it into something unique.

As far as the architecture is concerned I don't see what all the fuss is about. How Digest had the course in it's top ten a number of years ago was mindboggling given the company in that grouping. Even a top 100 placement is questionable given the vast quality of courses that have come forward since SC opened its doors.

I was quite impressed in walking through the men's locker room and seeing all the "names" that belong there. But frankly, the holes are not really exciting or sophisticated -- to be fair, I did like the finishing stretch of holes but I don't see the layout as being about the golf -- it's the experience -- just like the fanfare attached to the name of Las Vegas and much of the golf that is there.


NAF

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2004, 11:08:49 AM »
Scott-

My "experience" was first class.. just like the article states.  The operation is extremely professional and the gentleman who runs Shadow Creek is not only a terrific golfer but very good man--and I mean that in the understated English kind of way for having a good deal of respect for someone.

Now the golf experience is a different enchilada.  But I'll keep my thoughts private as I was very fortunate to get to experience the experience and play.

Jeff Goldman

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2004, 11:33:12 AM »
Somewhere in the archives is a really good discussion started by Tom Doak of several of the holes, assuming it survived the great migration.  There is also a hilarious thread about the visit by a few of the treehouse (led by the Emperor and Gib I think).  

Jeff Goldman
That was one hellacious beaver.

RJ_Daley

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2004, 11:35:31 AM »
Sorry gents,  my jaded eyes see an article that is about validation, experience of exclusivity, arriving at a place of privilege, who you get to vicariously attach your name to as fellow users of the facility, and a whole lot of fluff, escapism to a visually mesmerising place and, many feelings unrelated to the playing of the game of golf.  I see the article as 90% fluff, and 10% comment on the golf course as a venue to play the game.  And for Yogi, it is also at least half mentality.

« Last Edit: October 21, 2004, 11:37:31 AM by RJ_Daley »
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Steve_Roths

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2004, 11:38:05 AM »
Has anyone seen what the new Wynn/Fazio course at Wynn Resort on the strip?  I am wondering if they are doing something on par with Shadow Creek.

THuckaby2

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2004, 11:38:42 AM »
RJD:

Of course, his article is about all those things, all of which go into what make a day at Shadow Creek the wild, silly, privileged, completely artificial, but just plain FUN experience that it is.

I don't think the writer's intent WAS to comment on it as a venue to play the game.

And I also think that anyone who limits Shadow Creek to that truly misses the point of the place.

Can't we have a sense of humor about the game?

TH

RJ_Daley

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2004, 11:52:27 AM »
Huck, we all get our jollies from diverse things.  What trips your trigger, may not trip mine.  I know we have had some funny and enjoyable things occur to us on golf courses.  

I don't know if I have a very desirable sense of humor, even when it comes to golf.  All I know is I really had some enjoyment and refreshing laughs last week in NE at some of the situations the golf course threw at me and my playing companions.  From my own personal perspective, I just don't relate to Reger's enthusiasm for the experience, finding little about the merits of the golf course as such in the article, as you point out.  

But, for the commentary that Reger does offer, I think I can read that Martha Stewart magazine and find some similar descriptions to appeal to what is elegant and opulently experiential, if it doesn't need to be about golf.
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John Foley

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2004, 11:58:19 AM »
Steve,

When I was in LV in August I was told that the course was seeded and they we're hoping for a soft opening next year. Don't know much else though.

Integrity in the moment of choice

THuckaby2

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2004, 12:10:36 PM »
OK RJD, I get ya.  On the surface, as described, it does sound distasteful in all the ways you mention.  And it certainly pales in pure soulful joy compared to the wonderful times that can be had playing pure, real golf at its finest at places like Wild Horse.  And sure funny things happen whenever hacks like us play - that's not the sense of humor I meant.  I also didn't mean to say you had none - OBVIOUSLY you do, in spades.

The sense of humor I meant was about courses and venues themselves.  Must EVERYTHING be pure, real golf to be fun?  What's wrong with escapism?  

Again, remember I'm not saying it's the BEST type of golf.  I am just saying that as a change of pace, it sure can be fun.

So come on - you know me, at least enough.  You know I am as much of a regular joe as anyone here.  Shadow Creek trips my trigger just because it IS so widly over-the-top different, complete escapism, a day in the life of Donald Trump.  Sure that is distasteful as a regular diet - but for ONE DAY?  Why not just enjoy it, taking it for what it is?

Thus I think the writer nails it, has this all right on.  It is something all golfers need to experience once.  It's just plain fun.

And if I can enjoy it - seeing it for what it is, not taking it seriously at all, just laughing and grinning when they show me George Bush's locker with a fishing pole in it, or Michael Jordan's, or whatever - then I have to believe anyone could.

Or maybe it's geared to people like me... of course Donald Trump himself wouldn't be impressed by the place...

Dick, I think I have a good handle on what does trip your trigger.  I know it's not Shadow Creek, not as a regular thing.  But if you took it in this light - just deciding to take it as it comes, for what it is, and try to enjoy it - I feel certain you'd have a great time there.

WHEN the Badgers make the 2005 Rose Bowl, won't you also want to see some more SoCal sights, like Disneyland, Hollywood, etc., or is it pure football only, just go to the game, that's it?

That's kinda what I'm getting at re Shadow Creek, the Disneyland of golf.

Now of course my impressions are as such likely because I also didn't have to pay for the privilege.  Adding that in, well... we all have our thresholds.  I sure wouldn't pay $500 for this day of escapism... but I would pay $200.  

TH
« Last Edit: October 21, 2004, 12:11:00 PM by Tom Huckaby »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2004, 12:28:21 PM »
-Without doubt the most over-rated golf design of All-Time.
-The least interesting greens for a Top 50 rated golf course of All-Time.
-One of the most repeticious Top 100 golf courses of All-Time.
-Candidate for the Most Repetitive Golf Complexes of All-Time.
-Orange County Register--One of the worst Newspapers of All-Time.
-John Reger--One of the Worst Sportswriters of All-Time.
-John Reger--One of the Worst Golfing Sportwriters of All-Time. (I have played in front of his foursome at a tournament and got to witness some of his putting and chipping prowess.)

The list could go on ad infinitum.

However, the positive:

-Most creative process to move millions of cubes of dirt of All-Time.
-A Great Experience, at least once in your life. All thanks to the way they run things. But is it all really that neccessary for having to golf your ball?

ForkaB

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2004, 12:36:18 PM »
Thanks, Tommy.  I'm glad you weren't comped there or you mightn't have not let us know how you really feel. ;)

THuckaby2

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2004, 12:42:25 PM »
Tommy:

Thankfully you do acknowledge that it is a great experience.  It is.  As for all the extraneous stuff being necessary for one to golf one's ball, of course it's not.  But Shadow Creek isn't about golfing one's ball, in the same way that Disneyland isn't about riding on real pirate ships or in actual log flumes or the like.

BTW, get past BC and some others before you starting thinking about defeating the #1 team in the land.

 ;D

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2004, 12:47:43 PM »
Thanks, Tommy.  I'm glad you weren't comped there or you mightn't have not let us know how you really feel. ;)

Rich, Your condescension should be full circle--ask all of those who have shared that they have played here and see if they paid.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2004, 12:50:08 PM »
I forgot to add, you'll see that they probably paid the same price as me, which included paying for the room at one of the MGM hotels of your choice.

THuckaby2

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2004, 12:53:13 PM »
Hey gents, I already said I was comped, and it likely affects my feelings on the experience.  I also said what I would and wouldn't pay to play there.  Can't see as I can be more honest than that.  But in case it matters, the way it worked for raters at least when I did it was you had to stay at an MGM-related hotel and pay for that, then the golf part was comped.  My wife and I had a lovely time at the Mirage, she went to the spa whilst I played golf.  I did NOT come out of this cheaply, I assure you.

 ;D

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2004, 12:58:09 PM »
Tom, You don't have to defend yourself in anyway.  I too paid for my room, took part in the excellent experience and even stayed an extra night while having a great time with Gibby, Adam and Sheryl.

We also did some damage in one of those restaurants. We had morre then a few bottles of some fine grape juice.

Don't pay attention to Rich. Its just Rich being Rich.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2004, 01:00:02 PM by Tommy_Naccarato »

THuckaby2

Re:The Shadow Creek Experience
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2004, 01:02:58 PM »
Sounds good to me, Tommy.

As for Rich, well I didn't know what he was getting at - I am a little slow at times - I just didn't want anyone to think any differently about my take on the place.

TH

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