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Adam_F_Collins

Re:Names
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2004, 09:12:54 AM »
It has always tortured me that so many people (particularly in North America) who get the chance to build a golf course - and then give it a lame name.

There are just WAY too many Ridges, Dunes, Trees, Rocks, Lakes and Points. Of course, these are made in reference to the land forms - but too often they're land forms that aren't really obvious enough to have become part of the name.

You can certainly use natural elements in the name to great effect. I always thought the sister courses in Toronto by Hurdzan/Fry had great names: Devil's Pulpit and Devil's Paintbrush (in reference to the flowers of the same names)

Animals suck too. Osprey, Fox, Deer, Rabbit, Bears, etc. Downers all.

But the worst of all: Is the relentless application of the word "Links" and "The Links at..." This gets annoying, because you know at the start, everyone is going to drop that part off when spoken about in passing, so why use it at all? Beyond that, the vast majority of these courses have absolutely nothing about them which resembles links golf. This trend has only led to confusion about it's definition.

Lame.

The name should be as carefully chosen as any other aspect of the course. If you want to make a special place, take the time to give it a special name. That name will become part of our language of describing our golf experience.


Phil_the_Author

Re:Names
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2004, 09:45:39 AM »
I was humorously impressed with the courses that Tillinghast visited in New England in the fall of 1936 during his PGA course consultation tour.

Imagine going from the Metacomet CC to to the Wachusett, Metacomet, Massasoit and Tekoa Country Clubs. From there he visited some incredible 'names'. Who was the "Triggs" of Triggs Memorial, where is the course at the Duixbury Yacht Club, followed by the United Shoe Machinery GC.

Then it got even more 'name impressive'. It takes a strong man to have a straight face when saying that he had visited the Purpoodoch Willowdale GC, thePontoosuc Lake CC and the College Highway CC.

Yet the prize name of all goes to a course he then visited, a course that every true lover of the game should have had the opportunity to play at least one time in their lives. Who would not have loved to play a round and then retire to the 19th hole of the Tony Town Tavern Golf Links. Unfortunately it is no longer in existence.

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Names
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2004, 09:51:08 AM »
Myopia Hunt Club has an interesting name/history. The profile about the club on GCA is worth the read.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/myopiahunt1.html
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Names
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2004, 10:13:09 AM »
What about modern golf course names - post WWII?

I really like Apache Stronghold, too. The Kingsley Club (located nearby the town of Kingsley, MI) is very classy name. As are names like East Hampton (located in East Hampton, LI) and Boston Golf Club.

What did Tom Simpson write... something like, educated taste admires simplicity.  
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Eric Johnson

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Re:Names
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2004, 11:54:45 AM »
How about Oregon State University's Trysting Tree Golf Club.  One can let one's imagination go in figuring out how that name came about.

Neal,
I shudder to think or vision Ted Robinson doing his business under or around that tree or any other. I have no desire to EVER go there, ever!

Tommy,

At least the tree is on the OSU campus.....

You'd be surprised how many current Superintendents are alumni of the Tree.  What a great place to learn and work.

Also, the Tree is going to change over the next few years.  Several hole are going to be altered or eliminated and new holes will be routed further downstream from #13.  I would have to have a map in front of me to be more detailed.  I cannot remember who is slated for the "redesign."
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RJ_Daley

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Re:Names
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2004, 12:31:19 PM »
Hey Norby, you forgot "The Mad Russian" golf club. ;D
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John_Cullum

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Re:Names
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2004, 01:54:06 PM »
One of the worst is this new collaborative effort by Nicklaus and Jacklin: Concession.

I never cared for Secession either.
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Dale_McCallon

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Re:Names
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2004, 03:16:38 PM »
Bogie Busters Golf Course in Ky is a real classic

Bill Gayne

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Re:Names
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2004, 08:39:52 PM »
Golden Horseshoe Golf Club in Williamsburg (from their website):

"The Legend of the Golden Horseshoe recalls the origins of Virginia History. In 1716, colonial governor Alexander Spotswood organized a daring expedition to explore the far reaches of the Virginia colony. Spotswood, aware of the frontier's economic potential and bent on encouraging westward settlement, led a party of 63 men on the arduous journey.

Hugh Jones offered his account in 1724 of the toll taken by the rocky soil of the Piedmont and the Blue Ridge:

“For this expedition they were obliged to provide a great Quantity of Horse-Shoes (Things seldom used in the lower Parts of the Country, where there are few Stones). The Governor, upon their Return, presented each of his Companions with a Golden Horse-Shoe, some of which I have seen studded with valuable Stones resembling the Heads of Nails.”
Although several persons in the nineteenth century claimed to have seen them, none of the small, golden horse-shoes described by Jones have been found.

The Golden Horseshoe Golf Courses epitomize the tradition and mystique of Spotswood's expedition: the challenge of daring adventure, the enjoyment of a peaceful and spectacular environment, and the reward of completing an arduous test."

Cliff Hamm

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Re:Names
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2004, 08:48:26 PM »
Since others are not only mentioning modern courses I'll mention Baltusrol.  Named, as I recall, for a gentleman named Baltus Roll who was murdered on the sight, actually the mountain (hill) behind the current golf course (s).

Cliff

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Names
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2004, 09:09:32 PM »
Rip Van Winkle Country Club
Palenville, NY

Butter Valley Golf Port

also an airport
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Norbert P

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Re:Names
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2004, 10:29:43 PM »
 

  How could I forget?
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Top100Guru

Re:Names
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2004, 11:34:29 PM »
Mr. Cullum;

While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I beg to differ with you regarding the name "Secession"........you likely have no idea why the name was even chosen nor is it likely you have even been to the club.........

..........however, I do agree w/ your comments on the club name "Concession"......a bad name and a poor attempt to no doubt, c"apitalize" on the notoriety of the Secession name .

John_Cullum

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Re:Names
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2004, 04:20:45 AM »
Mr McConkey3

I am well aware of how Secession acquired its handle. And I find it most noteworthy that you presume I have never played it. So you are quite wrong on both accounts as I have played Secession quite a few times. I like the course, but not the name.
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A_Clay_Man

Re:Names
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2004, 08:13:01 AM »
Yesterday I was doing some logistics on a long road trip through Wyoming. When I came to a course named "Old Baldy" I didn't think of anyone on this site.  ;D

How about Supt's news home away from home "John's Course"?

But, My absolute least favorite of all time..."Bon Vivant" down near shankakee illinois.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2004, 08:16:14 AM by Adam Clayman »

pdrake

Re:Names
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2004, 09:27:41 AM »
Jeez, the name Secession is integral with the whole course.  The tees are named for Civil War generals, the holes named for battles, and being located in Beaufort (where the articles of Secession were written)........I guess Mr Cullum would like it to be called Beaufort Country Club or Marsh View Golf Club......maybe he would like to insert a pool just so the name makes sense.  Ridiculous!

John_Cullum

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Re:Names
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2004, 09:57:09 AM »
No, it's just an odd name; to me anyway. I wont refuse to play there because of the name. Another poster refuses to play Royal Amelia Golf Links because of the name, and I respect that.

And drake, think about it. The name is integral to the whole place, even the holes are named after civil war generals? Maybe a little contrived, isn't it? If it was called Broad River GC it would still be the same course. But then they wouldn't have that neat logo.
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Casey Wade

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Re:Names
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2004, 10:19:47 AM »
If I had Donald Trump's money, I would build a golf course that would rival any in the world in terms of architecture and maintenance.  I promptly would name it "The Goat Track".

What's in a name?

Also, I've always wanted to do service at one golf course live Ed Debevic's or Dick's Last Resort.  Just so I could answer the question "Where are you located?" and I could say "Right Here!"
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John_Cullum

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Re:Names
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2004, 10:23:07 AM »
To change the subject, Old Memorial mentioned above, is so named because a portion of it is built on the old right of way for the now rerouted Memorial Highway.

Also, I just stumbled across this one this morning-Hombre City GC in Panama City FL.
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pdrake

Re:Names
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2004, 10:25:35 AM »
the tees are named after Civlil War Generals.........the holes are named after particular battles in the Civil War...........if you can't get that much, I doubt you have even set foot there..........next thing you will come out against the logo because of the stars and bars!

ForkaB

Re:Names
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2004, 10:43:15 AM »
Norbert

You also forgot Dalmunzie, which by itself is not that neato of a name, but when combined with its location, Spittal of Glenshee, is getting close.

PS--I'm taking my beloved up there to play in a few weeks.  Can't wait!

Tom Ferrell

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Re:Names
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2004, 10:45:05 AM »
I grew up on the classically named Okefenokee Golf Club way down in Georgia.  

The old club there was just a goat track with a legendary clubhouse and "social" scene.  In 1977, however, we moved to a Joe Lee/Rocky Rocquemore design on the banks of the Satilla River out east of town.  This is truly an excellent course built on good, sandy land w/ scrub oaks, elevation changes and the natural feature of the river coming into view/play on the drop shot (as much as you can get in South GA, anyway) 14th and the spectacular par 4.5 15th.

If you are ever in South Georgia (Sea Island, Jekyll Island, even north Florida's Amelia Island), and you're interested in making a great "off-the-grid" discovery, check out Okefenokee Golf Club in Waycross.  You won't be disappointed.

TOM  

John_Cullum

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Re:Names
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2004, 11:44:53 AM »
Well this IS getting interesting. You see drake, I havn't paid much attention to what aspect of the course was named after what General. I dont find that sort of thing very significant at most golf courses.

But you are free to dwell upon your doubts as to my travels.

I do love the Stars and Bars.
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Michael J. Moss

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Re:Names
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2004, 01:45:15 PM »
Having played Royal County and recently, Crystal, I like any course with "Down" or "Downs" in the name.

Having just looked it up, "down" means: An expanse of rolling, grassy, treeless upland used for grazing. Often used in the plural. I didn't know that.

mikes1160

Re:Names
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2004, 02:11:38 PM »
Shivas,

How about "Big Run", a grand name
for a great old south suburban Chi-town course