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Michael Dugger

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Pronghorn
« on: February 10, 2003, 05:45:54 PM »
FYI....looks like this 36 hole high-desert resort and playground for the rich is coming along nicely.  Check out the following link to see a few pictures.  
http://www.pronghornclub.com/6D3FFCD6F26A439891FE590C460625C9.asp

Jack seems to be entertaining quite an entourage of people.
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Brian Phillips

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2003, 03:12:52 AM »
Good luck to them all.  It looked like a great family day.

It looks like it is going to be a long course 7460 yards Par 72.

Found this quote on the website:

'Nicklaus is planning a traditional desert-style course for Pronghorn.'

What is a traditional desert-style course?

BP
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Slag Bandoon

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2003, 12:45:13 PM »
I looked but I couldn't find a target date for play on these courses.  Any idea?  

Is that Bob Huntley facing away in the blue jacket at the party?  Probably got invited by Jack hisself.
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Michael Dugger

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2003, 12:55:29 PM »
I've wondered that myself, Slag.  I imagine with the winter that we have had here in Oregon, or lack there of, construction of these courses is probably something that is doable at this point.  

Slag, as an Oregonian, (or nearly) are you fired-up about making a trip to Bend to play this course once it is finished?  

Just curious
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Slag Bandoon

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2003, 01:14:23 PM »
Michael, I am somewhat piqued but not overly excited.  Will I have to go as a poseur? ... Shamelessly acting the part of a rich guy looking for a house to buy to play them.  I'll have to get on my finest pair of gabberjean trousers and endangered Nauga hide shoes... and shave.  

 I'm more interested in Skipanon; Tierra del Mar (238 acres, near Pacific City that wants to be private but I think that'll cause trouble); and the Tillamook developement (by the old blimp hangar).  

 I'd like to play the Faz/Nick Pronghorns, or at least walk the grounds, but being high-end private sort of shakes me from my dreams.  I won't say never but there's still so much else that I've got to see in my state.
  

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Mike Erdmann

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2003, 09:24:14 PM »
Word late last year is that the Nicklaus (resort) course would open later in 2003, with the Fazio (private) course slated for possibly 2004.  Should be interesting to see how the whole project turns out, as the land the resort sits on isn't that spectacular as far as Central Oregon standards go.  But I'm sure the developers have done quite well, with ground that sold for $500 an acre five years ago now selling for an average of $466,000 per building lot!
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2003, 11:40:46 PM »
I hate to sound so............negative, but why on earth would any of you Oregonian's ever want to travel to play a Nicklaus or Fazio course when you have Pacific Dunes the same distance away, that you can play all year?

Please tell me that you all have much stronger tastes then that!!!!

Slag, you should be promptly beaten with a cat of nine tails that is laced with sharp slag-pieces from the foundry.

Mike Erdmann, I'll give you a pass since you have to pay attention to this stuff, real esate wise.

Michael Dugger, you will take my advice and go play four rounds at Sandpines on the way to your next trip to Bandon. A proper punishment for such heresey!
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Mike Erdmann

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2003, 12:07:29 AM »
Now wait a minute, Tommy!  Where did I say anything about a desire to play either course?   :P
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Slag_Bandoon

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2003, 12:30:41 AM »
Why did Mallory attempt to climb Everest?

 Because it was there.

  What's boggling to me is 'where's all the money coming from?"  Oregon is in a recession and has the highest unemployment in the nation, excepting Alaska.  $466K just for lots?  Then, I would assume some palatial homesteads are to be built at great expense.  Is there really that strong of a market in Bend?  Wow.  

Mike E, thanks for the correction of resort/private status.


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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2003, 06:39:46 AM »
Mike, I stand corrected! I knew you were much wiser then that!

Slag, Do you mean Sir Edmund Hillary?
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Michael Dugger

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2003, 09:51:20 AM »
Tommy,

Hey man, I already purchased a punch card for fifteen rounds at Sandpines.  I have to use it up in two weeks!  Just kidding

Back to reality, I brought this thread up because in one sense or another this is a pretty big deal here in Oregon.  FAZIO and NICKLAUS come to Oregon.  

Like I implied of Slag, however, I don't think anybody is all that fired up about this development.  At least not those who ACTUALLY HAVE made the trip to Bandon.  

As Brian mentioned, what is high-desert style, or whatever the heck Jack called it?  I'm suspecting that Pronghorn will be no better course than some of those that we already have in the area.  Morrish and Weiskopf's Broken Top, to name one.  

I'd be very very very pleased if Fazio came up with something like Forest Highlands or The Sanctuary, but we'll see, won't we?

That would be great, and if I hear it is that good, I'll be right there with Slag running some kind of scam to get on the darn thing!
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SPDB!

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2003, 10:06:40 AM »
Brian -

More to the point, why on earth would you build a "desert-style" course in Bend, Oregon?
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Michael Dugger

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2003, 10:51:19 AM »
SPDB:

Perhaps you have never been to Bend, but it is a high-desert climate.  Actually a very, very cool place with an amazing geology.  Much volcanic history; very rocky.  Much like Flagstaff.  Up in elevation.  I suspect that is why the courses will play so long.  BALL GO FAR
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What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Slag_Bandoon

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2003, 11:09:01 AM »
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Slag, Do you mean Sir Edmund Hillary?

No. I mean George Mallory, the climber who said "Because it is there." when asked "Why?"  He died in the attempt.  His body was discovered a few years ago by Conrad Anker team.  NOVA had a terrific episode on it.

SPDP,  Don't feel scolded.  Most people east of the Rockies think that Oregon is a rainy mud hole.  In actuality, only one third of the state is a quagmire - from the coast to 150 miles inland at the Cascade Mountain Range.  Everything beyond that is considerably drier.  

Bring lots of money and visit, everybody.

Bend/Redmond/Prineville area has plenty of golf courses.  This is why I'm curious as to this new monster money developement.  Are all the privates full up in the area?  
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2003, 11:15:50 AM »
Slag, thanks for the clarification.  I don't know a lot about  rock climbing other then the Fazio and Rees Jones organizations would probably like to throw me off of a few very tall ones.

Michael, O.K., You get a pass like Mike Erdmann too.
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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2003, 01:28:05 PM »
Michael,
Do you feel Broken Top is better than Crosswaters? I think that making the trip would be worthy, considering it one of the most beautiful places you can find.  Certainly seems as if Nicklaus is making the site visits, and good to see that his course will be the public one.

While there are a number of courses in the area, as a destination they need one or two more.  I welcome the prospect.

To those in Oregon, is Bend really growing at light speed?  I played with a gentleman from California who had retired there and said the growth was unbelievable.  Interesting to imagine what other developments may be ahead.  
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2003, 01:16:05 PM »
I think I'm just in a cynical mood today, but...

"Pronghorn"?

I thought it was a joke when I first saw that name.
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Chris_Clouser

Re: Pronghorn
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2003, 01:23:18 PM »
Wow, three trips by Jack already to the course.  It must a "signature" design.  We have a Jack course being built a mile from my house and he's been there 2 times in over a year.  The first day of construction and then one visit last summer.  They expect him to be back on opening day in April sometime.  

He's really a "natural" designer.  
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Michael Dugger

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Re:Pronghorn
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2003, 06:54:36 PM »
Bringing this back up to the top because I've found some new goodies.......

Straight from Nicklaus.com we have the Nicklaus course at Pronghorn








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What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Matt_Ward

Re:Pronghorn
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2003, 12:33:05 PM »
Hard to beat the summer weather in Bend -- could be the nation's best for warm days and cool summer nights. Pronghorn is certainly laying a claim for that area of Oregon.

Tommy -- I'll let them know at Pronghorn you won't be coming by anytime soooooooooooooon. ;D

P.S. I liked Crosswater but don't believe it ever merited a top 100 placement.
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