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Tom_Doak

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It's official
« on: April 02, 2004, 01:46:26 PM »
I was compelled by the client to wait until today to officially confirm this, but the rumor is true:  Jack Nicklaus and I are going to co-design the Sebonack Golf Club on the Bayberry property next door to The National Golf Links of America.  We are hoping to start on the construction early this summer.

This collaboration will only work well if everyone involved remembers to put the project first, instead of worrying about "who did what."  Consequently, I'm not going to have much to say about the latter subject during the course of this project, or afterwards.  For now, here's what I've had to say as part of the press release:

It’s hard to imagine a project bigger than this one.  We’re starting with the kind of property every architect dreams about, with perfect sandy soil and a lot of frontage along the bay.  Creating a great golf course is the first and only priority.  It is an honor to be working alongside Jack Nicklaus, and I’m sure I will learn a lot from picking the brain of the greatest golfer ever.  And if we’re ever short of inspiration, we can peek across the fence at two of the best golf courses ever built.  I can’t wait to get started!  
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ForkaB

Re:It's official
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2004, 01:53:44 PM »
Great stuff, Tom.  Good luck!
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Mike Benham

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Re:It's official
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2004, 01:53:58 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on April 02, 2004, 01:46:26 PM
It is an honor to be working alongside Jack Nicklaus

Quote from: Tom_Doak on April 02, 2004, 01:46:26 PM
and I’m sure I will learn a lot from picking the brain of the greatest golfer ever.

Tom -

The above two components of your quote say all that need to be said ...

Mike
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Doug Wright

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Re:It's official
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2004, 01:54:06 PM »
Congratulations and best of luck Tom. Well earned!

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GeoffreyC

Re:It's official
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2004, 01:56:22 PM »
Tom

Congratulations and welcome to the neighborhood.

Has your ideal routing and use of the property been approved by the town and environmental agencies?

What is the mandate you and Jack have from the owners?
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THuckaby2

Re:It's official
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2004, 01:56:52 PM »
Anyone but me very glad Tom posted this today, and not yesterday?

 ;)

This is very cool and wow, what a golf course may result... greatest player ever combines with one of the greatest living architects, on a piece of land that has to be among the best available, for so many reasons....

Will it be possible to live up to the expectations?

I have a feeling they'll find a way.

TH
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:It's official
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2004, 02:01:42 PM »
Congatulations Tom. It should be an interesting experience for you. And Jack too.

 Is this course public or private? ( If I could insert one of those smile things, I'd put it here!)

Steve
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Jimmy Muratt

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Re:It's official
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2004, 02:03:32 PM »
Congratulations on the project Tom.  We all can not wait to see the results.

It will be very interesting to see how Jack's and Tom's style mesh.  Most of Jack's courses are of the "championship" length and style while Tom tends to favor the classic, character filled courses that focus on the details.  

It will be interesting to see if what results is a 7200 yard course or a 6800 yard course.
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JSlonis

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Re:It's official
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2004, 02:06:15 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS!

An outstanding golf neighborhood is about to get even better.
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Mike_Cirba

Re:It's official
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2004, 02:11:24 PM »
Awesome, Tom!!  ;D

Congratulations are certainly in order, and I have the sense that you two will find more in common than others might imagine.  

I also know you'll stick to your guns when you disagree so it should be an intriguing pairing.  

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Joel_Stewart

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Re:It's official
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2004, 02:13:05 PM »
Congratulations.

Several years ago I asked on GCA if Pacific Dunes was going to be your legacy course?  I'm the first to admit that it appears not and I am sure Sebonak will be one of your finest creations.
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Kelly Blake Moran

Re:It's official
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2004, 02:20:20 PM »
Why this arrangement?  What brought it about?  Who's playing Clifford Roberts?
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Steve Lapper

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Re:It's official
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2004, 02:23:06 PM »
Tom:

Great News! I have several guys who've been asking me about possible memberships and I now can unequivocally recommend Sebonac! Hope the force stays with you and the result bears the fruit the land deserves.


S
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Gene Greco

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Re:It's official
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2004, 02:23:32 PM »
Tom:
 
    Please call when you're in town so can share a cognac (or one of the Buds Hendren left here) at the Casa Greco! The number for the dental office is listed and were located across the street from Seth Raynors old house.

 Gene
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"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

BCrosby

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Re:It's official
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2004, 02:31:29 PM »
Congrats Tom. Exciting news.

Kelly -

The question is who will play Bobby Jones and who will play MacKenzie. ;)

Bob
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RJ_Daley

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Re:It's official
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2004, 02:32:17 PM »
Whose crews will do what?  Anotherwords, is your on-site construction team going to do the actual work?  (Urbina, Hepner, Placek, Slawnik, Schneider, Iverson and others who have worked individual situations with you).  Or, is there a blend of Golden Bear's-Paragon staff and yours?  

While I may be called a Maytag Man, I think you all see where I'm going with this... ::) :-X

Just to add for clarity of intentions, I believe your guys can learn much from Jack's memory bank of historic shot challenges played at the greatest courses around the world and under the most thrilling circumstances over 45+ years.  I don't go lightly on what he may impart as to the vision thing.  But, I also have to think that your team should be the ones to shape and create the translation of what Jack can offer in experience of golf shot value-playability.
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Mike Hendren

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Re:It's official
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2004, 02:36:00 PM »
Gene,

Most assuredly I would never abandon a Budweiser.  Having never set foot on Long Island, I will however back up a Bud truck to your front door if and when I do!

Tom Doak,

Congratulations.  Pace yourself, young man.

Mike
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Lou_Duran

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Re:It's official
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2004, 02:44:35 PM »
Ditto most everything said Mr. Doak.  Jack Nicklaus has class, and not that you are lacking anything in this department, but his image can only be helpful to you and the project.  I do suspect that the two of you will get along very well and learn from each other.  If you don't mind me saying, you are one very fortunate fellow.  Best of luck.

P.S.- will Jim Urbina be involved?
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JakaB

Re:It's official
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2004, 03:04:51 PM »
Tom Doak,

Seven years ago upon the publishing of The Confidencial Guide everyone was lining up to kick your ass...today they line up to kiss it..congrats my friend.
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james soper

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Re:It's official
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2004, 03:09:41 PM »
i don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but something doesn't seem right. what kind of course are you really going to get with architects that are at opposite ends of the spectrum. it appears that significant compromises will have to be made for this course to come to fruition. i sure hope someone isn't selling themselves to the devil in order to work on this piece of property. stay true to the things that got you where you are. keep the renaissance alive.
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Jfaspen

Re:It's official
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2004, 03:25:25 PM »
Congrats Mr. Doak, good luck, I am sure we are all anxious to see what this superstar collaberation comes up with :)

Jeff
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David Wigler

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Re:It's official
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2004, 03:30:12 PM »
Tom,

Obviously you cannot answer many of the "You or Jack" questions, so I have a suggestion.  Lot's of public entities put in private suggestions for those in the know.  Given Jack's love of the high fade, see if the land allows for the 1st hole to be a slight dogleg left.  If it is, we will know who dominated the design.
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And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04

ed_getka

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Re:It's official
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2004, 03:37:22 PM »
Tom,
  Congratulations on landing another great property to work your magic on. I am curious as to what the mandate from the owner is. Does he want a "championship" course, a fun members course, or what? What other existing courses have come up in conversation with the owner that he likes and would like emulated in what you will be doing?
    I think this collaboration will be a good thing for Nicklaus in his evolution as an architect, unfortunately it won't make you a champion golfer ;). Nicklaus seems to be moving in the right direction with some of his more recent projects (ie Mayacama and Ocean Hammock).
    I hope I can have a chance to stop by to see you at work at some point.
    Good luck. :)
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Dan Herrmann

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Re:It's official
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2004, 03:52:28 PM »
Tom,
Congratulations!  What a thrill!

So when is the GCA outing scheduled for?  ;)
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Kevin_Keeley

Re:It's official
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2004, 04:14:36 PM »
Will Jackie, Steve and Gary be involved? :)
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