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bakerg

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2003, 11:46:13 AM »
Just Hoping,

I think you stated what a lot of us are wondering.  
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John_Conley

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2003, 12:02:59 PM »
Open to the public?  I thought this place was like $300,000 to join.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2003, 01:00:39 PM »
Amazing the number of views on this thread.  Ran posted this just about 24 hours ago, and it already has almost 1300 views!  Just goes to show what a magnificent new course can do to us GCA freaks.
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Brian Phillips

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2003, 01:39:47 PM »
I am just STUNNED!!

Congratulations to everyone involved in that project - looks like C & C got those Maxwell rolls in the greens again!!

Bradley has done a fantastic job again...not interested in any work in Europe are you?

Cheers

Brian.
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Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2003, 04:21:39 PM »
Ran-
Great review and great pictures.
I was completely engrossed!
I read the hole descriptions while looking at the aerial going back and forth, back and forth.
When I finished, it felt like the day was over, I lost complete track of time.  It was still early morning.
I bet on the course is quite similar, as you get completely absorbed and loose track of all else.
Cheers
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Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Donald Trumpster

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2003, 10:52:31 AM »
What is all the fuss about, Trump National is still the best course in New York State and for that matter it will win the title of Golf Digest Best New Private Course for 2003 hands down. All it takes is some green and I don't mean grass.
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Ken Bakst

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2003, 07:36:03 AM »
Ran

I just wanted to take this opportunity to extend my heartfelt and sincere thanks on behalf of everybody that was and is involved with Friar’s Head for writing and posting such a wonderful course profile.  We are all gratified by the extent to which Friar’s Head captured your interest, and we thank you for the obvious amount of time and effort that you devoted towards this endeavor.  If I didn’t know better, I would have thought you had some kind of financial interest as I could not have written a more flattering profile myself!  :)

Your participants have been discussing what influence, if any, Friar’s Head might have on golf course architecture specifically and the culture of golf generally, to which my only response is:  Not as much as GolfClubAtlas.com!

Respectfully,
Ken
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TEPaul

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2003, 02:38:35 PM »
".......as I could not have written a more flattering profile myself!"

KenB:

Maybe you couldnt but I could have. Just ask Pat Mucci about that. Frankly, it's the only thing he's been correct on since I've known him.  
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2003, 06:46:44 PM »
Perhaps I'm just an overly sentimental and emotionally sensitive schmo, but I just read this amazing course profile and by the 5th hole I had goosebumps from head to toe.  By the 11th, I could feel adrenaline pumping through me, and had to walk away from the computer for a few minutes.

By the 16th, I could feel tears welling in my eyes...

Some people argue that golf course architecture is not "art".  Perhaps, that is so.

But, not in this case...
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Paul Turner

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2003, 06:49:45 PM »
The first quality that struck me was the width of the course!

Something about black and white photos, they seem to show more detail.  

The photo of the 1st with its high green reminds me of early Pine Valley pics.
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TEPaul

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2003, 07:14:39 PM »
KenB:

Would you just look at this stuff. Here's a good architectural analyst sitting at home looking at the photos and reading about the golf course--by the 5th he's got goosebumps and by the 16th he's crying!

I know you had high hopes with Friar's Head and C&C but can you really tell me you expected it to get this kind of reaction from someone just reading about it? Get some towels ready when the lockeroom gets built cuz you might have golfers sobbing with joy all over your golf course. Turn off the irrigation for good, doesn't look like you'll need it at all.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2003, 07:35:08 PM »
Tom Paul;

In person, I'd certainly try to contain my excessive emotional outpouring, simpy out of respect for the proper and desirable firm-and-fast "maintanance meld" for Friar's Head.  ;) ;D

In any case, thank you Ran for providing us with such a spiritually uplifting and insightful course profile.  For every piece of bad news or discouraging trend in the game that we seem to be confronted with regularly in these times, it's very inspiring to me that a place like Friar's Head just makes those troublesome issues seem inevitably mundane and inconsequential..
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Gene Greco

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2003, 11:41:41 PM »
Indeed, Mike, cry your eyes out and get it all out of you. We remember the last time you saw architectural perfection you passed out. Best you not play this course or the same fate awaits you.

Ran, a very well written and much deserved course review.

Years ago some of you might remember what I tried to describe to you after picking pumpkins with my kids near  "Traditional Golf" (Friar's Head) when it was just dirt.
 
I tried to explain it was to be a Cypress Point/Pine Valley amalgamation a little later on.

After being escorted around the course I again tried to relate what a masterpiece awaits the golf world.

I was graciously invited to play by two members and stated that my favorite hole on the east end of Long Island is #5 at Friar's Head. This group, of course, includes NGLA, mighty Shinnecock, etc. I LOVE #7 and #10 as well but #5 is among the greatest holes in all of golfdom.

I said it then and will say it again: this course is a masterpiece and the heaps of praise which Ran has bestowed upon it is appropriate.

It is one of the ten greatest courses in America.

The green complexes may be the best ever produced and are among those found at Prairie Dunes, Winged Foot West and Oakmont.

I love this golf course and do not have the writing ability to be able to convey to you how joyous a round of golf SHOULD be.

However, as that judge once said he can't define pornography but knows it when he sees it, I see greatness at Friars Head.

If there is any group of people who might understand what it is I'm trying to convey it is this one.

Sand Hills...............Pac Dunes.................and now Friars Head.

A new child is born for the GCA devotees to adore.  
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"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Gene Greco

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2003, 11:42:26 PM »
Indeed, Mike, cry your eyes out and get it all out of you. We remember the last time you saw architectural perfection you passed out. Best you not play this course or the same fate awaits you.

Ran, a very well written and much deserved course review.

Years ago some of you might remember what I tried to describe to you after picking pumpkins with my kids near  "Traditional Golf" (Friar's Head) when it was just dirt.
 
I tried to explain it was to be a Cypress Point/Pine Valley amalgamation a little later on.

After being escorted around the course I again tried to relate what a masterpiece awaits the golf world.

I was graciously invited to play by two members and stated that my favorite hole on the east end of Long Island is #5 at Friar's Head. This group, of course, includes NGLA, mighty Shinnecock, etc. I LOVE #7 and #10 as well but #5 is among the greatest holes in all of golfdom.

I said it then and will say it again: this course is a masterpiece and the heaps of praise which Ran has bestowed upon it is appropriate.

It is one of the ten greatest courses in America.

The green complexes may be the best ever produced and are among those found at Prairie Dunes, Winged Foot West and Oakmont.

I love this golf course and do not have the writing ability to be able to convey to you how joyous a round of golf SHOULD be.

However, as that judge once said he can't define pornography but knows it when he sees it, I see greatness at Friars Head.

If there is any group of people who might understand what it is I'm trying to convey it is this one.

Sand Hills...............Pac Dunes.................and now Friars Head.

A new child is born for the GCA devotees to adore.  
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"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

TEPaul

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2003, 05:37:06 AM »
"The green complexes may be the best ever produced and are among those found at Prairie Dunes, Winged Foot West and Oakmont."

gene:

As high as I am on it just walking the course, not having played the greens, that's a big statement. But studying them, some more than others it wouldn't surprise me. But something like that would take a few years to tell as greens that deserve that kind of praise can only show all their subtlties and mysteries over time. The one I studied the closest was #7 and that really is fascinating. Others like #1, 5, 8, 9, 14, 17 appear to be too. The rest I wish I'd looked at more closely.
  
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MBL

Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2003, 04:50:14 PM »
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had goosebumps from head to toe

Mike Cirba-

Experienced nearly the same sentiments when reviewing the profile.  However, the goosebumps held off until I read Ken Bakst's post.  

Thanks to all that made this happen -- from construction to posting the profile!!!  

And I'll let you all know that I've been sitting here for the past hour reading the DG while trying to figure out how, if ever, I'll be able to secure an invite to tee it up at FH ;D
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Kevin_D

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #66 on: August 24, 2014, 12:06:01 PM »
I played Friar's Head twice recently and wanted to comment.

I was going to post on Bill Shultz's terrific "C&C's worst holes" thread, but after thinking it over for a few weeks, I'm just not up to the task. I suppose there is a "worst" hole at Friar's Head, like at any course, but there certainly isn't a bad hole anywhere. Instead, I thought I would go back to the original thread and add here.

I enjoyed the first hole - plays a bit like 18 at Wykagyl with less trouble. Bit of a gentle handshake, but it does require an accurate pitch or you might have trouble getting up and down for par since the green, like most at FH, is subtly tricky.

The potato field holes are all really solid. I really don't understand any criticism of these. Sure, many are taken from the C&C playbook but are terrific holes. Case in point, the dogleg left #6 reminded me a lot of a hole at Streamsong Red (can't remember which #) and is a great risk-reward hole as far as the line you take off the tee.

#7 green is borderline too severe to me, but appropriate for a short-ish par 5.

I could see how someone could think #10 is gimmicky with the dune in front of the green, but I think they pulled it off and ended up creating one of the best and most memorable par 3s I've ever played.

Of course, the dunes holes are simply spectacular. 15 of course is amazing, but 14 might be my favorite. I love both playing the hole, and the anticipation of seeing those steps leading to 15, knowing you are about to approach one of the most amazing views in golf.

The clubhouse is of course very posh, but I found it very classically done and actually not too big.

I know we talk all the time here about the latest course being but or renovated, or wherever the pros are playing. That's natural. But stepping back and thinking about all the great courses that have been built over the last 10-15 years, I'd say golf is doing pretty well for a sport that's "dying".

In summary, Friar's Head is simply great, one of my best golf experiences ever, and certainly the best modern course I've played (though I haven't been to Sand Hills or Bandon yet - but will rectify one of those next month!).

If Friar's isn't a 10, then I don't know what a 10 is.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #67 on: August 24, 2014, 12:18:43 PM »
What is a "fine in front of the green"?
Coming in 2025
~Robert Moses Pitch 'n Putt
~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

Bill_McBride

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2014, 01:14:49 PM »
I haven't read this thread or the Friars Head profile since 2003.   Since then I have done several things that lead me to believe that Rod Whitman belongs in the top tier of modern golf architects:

-  Played Friars Head!   None of the praise is unwarranted, this is one marvelous course on a tricky property. 

-  Played Sagebrush in British Columbia!   A Rod Whitman project. 

-  Played Cabot Links!   Another Rod Whitman project.

-  Read the profile again and learned that Rod was heavily involved in the construction of Friars Head.   Why am I not surprised Bill Coore would have brought Rod into the Friars Head project, he's now working with C&C on the Cabot Cliffs course.   

Kevin_D

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Re: Friar's Head course profile is posted
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2014, 01:27:11 PM »
What is a "fine in front of the green"?

Autocorrect typo. Dune