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Ed_Baker

Great Short par-3's?
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2001, 05:13:00 AM »
#3 at Wannamoisett

JLahrman

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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2001, 05:55:00 AM »
#11 at Plainfield

Measures 135 yards.  Short is a 4 and long is a 5.  Great green.


Allen_Rebstock

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2001, 06:07:00 AM »
I always admired Olympic's 8th. I haven't seen it mentioned.  It has visual appeal with bunker,clubhouse and trees.  Flag is never fully visable because of bunder lip and anything from a hole in one to double or more is possible. Tree limbs were scaled back and even one tree cut down for 98 Open which improved the hole.  

Nick_Christopher

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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2001, 06:15:00 AM »
#14 at Crystal Downs.  At only 140 yards long and with a relatively large green the shot doesn't look too difficult, but if you find one of the bunkers up front and can't get over the lip, you can make a 4-5 pretty easily.  Also, the views from the green of Platte Point and Sleeping Bear Dunes can't be beat.

John,

I agree, #2 at Kingsley fits the description very well also.


THuckaby2

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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2001, 06:38:00 AM »
Rich - we gotta fix that Presidio "problem."  It's worth seeing most definitely.  The hole Bill mentions (#4) doesn't meet your criterion 2 though, it's an easy 4.  Don't see much chance to make 5 unless you leave one in a bunker.

15 Cypress I'd qualify - the ocean is most definitely "hittable" and that makes 5 (or worse) a possibility even if it is only app. 140 yards.

And I too look forward to seeing NGLA!

TH


ForkaB

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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2001, 06:55:00 AM »
Allen

I eliminated OC #8 in my initial post as not putting the "fear of five" into the mind of the reasonably acomplished player.


ForkaB

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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2001, 06:58:00 AM »
Tom

I eliminated CP #15 in my original post because, like TPC #17, you have no reasonable chance for a 3 if you stumble off the tee.  On the great holes, you can, with a great recovery and or a great putt.


THuckaby2

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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2001, 07:28:00 AM »
Aha - get it.  Mea culpa, didn't pay attention enough. Yup, 15 Cypress is indeed do or die.

TH


T_MacWood

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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2001, 09:43:00 AM »
15 Eastward Ho!
5 Congress Lake
11 Camargo
14 Canton Brookside
15 Moraine
3 Oyster Harbor

Doug Sobieski

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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2001, 09:52:00 AM »
How about #16 at Wolf Run?

SPDB

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »
Agreed on Camargo #11. I once hit a wedge that I was 95% certain would go in the hole, and almost did, until it spun back slightly from the hole which was cut middle right on a knoll. Confident that I hit a nearly perfect shot that, but for a ton of spin would have been within tap-in range, I walked off the tee and toward the green. Only then did i realize that my ball catching momentum from the spin, caught the front-pitching slope and ended up 10 feet below the green surface in the deep bunker.

I also like the short par 3 (100 or so yards) 4th hole (i think) at Gulph Mills. Very delicate, but a joy to play.


John_Sheehan

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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »
Rich,
Until it was re-designed, the 7th at Sonoma Golf Club was a perfect example of your description.  Alas, in the re-design, the architect chose to extend the beautiful par-3 a full 70+ yards. It now plays at approximately 220 yards - another victim of the inclination to feature length and strength - and in this case, most inappropriate IMHO.

The setting is still the same: picture a beautiful kidney shaped green nestled into the base of a forty foot high ridge on the left. Moving backward from the green, a small stream wraps itself around the rear of the green, then slowly meanders along the green's right side, all the way back to the tee. Eucalyptus trees stand guard on the ridge, their nearness to the green making it difficult to place a shot anywhere near a left-rear hole position without shaping a draw into the flag. A ridge ran through the old, small green from left front to right rear.  The green sloped gently away from that ridge and toward the hazard.  A small bunker, almost a pot bunker was nearly invisible on the right front, adding to the difficulty of a run up shot. A large menacing bunker protected the left side of the green, fitting naturally into the ridge.  Having made quite a few visits to that bunker, which used the natural slope of the ridge, I can tell you it provided a menacing, exacting recovery shot, usually from a down hill lie, and always toward some portion of that beautiful little stream.

The green has been changed, mainly enlarged and the site has been sanitized, with little rock retaining walls. It is still a very beautiful hole, but lacks a bit of soul now, and was irreparably damaged (IMHO) by extending the tee back so far.  When I play it, regardless of the tees I am playing that day, I choose to play it at its original length.


John Bernhardt

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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2001, 02:21:00 PM »
Home from the land of noofie's. I love 15 at cypress, but it really does not meet yuour definition. 8 at Olympic is not what I believe you are describing. My childhood club is bayou desaird CC in Monroe, la, There is a 110 to 120 15th hole. fronted by water and the green is set at a slight left to right angle with 2 very small landing areas. a 5 if short and a tough 4 if long. winds tricky and set in a direction only like one other hole on course. great match play hole between two par 5's. Only a well hit shot will hold and mounding around and behind makes for challenging up and downs. also very nice cntouring to the green.

John_Conley

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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2001, 02:25:00 PM »
Since when did that lurker start posting??

Welcome to the dark side!    

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LONGMEADOW has two short par 3s, but the first one doesn't really have a high probability of making 5 for a proficient player.  The second plays no more than 125 over a ravine with a severely sloping green.  Afraid of coming up short?  Fine, you've just made it more likely to 3-putt by playing an extra club!


Greg Stebbins

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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »
#4 at the Warren Course at Notre Dame fits the description perfectly.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2001, 05:49:00 PM »
Huckster:  as a matter of fact, I made 5 (or was it 6?) on that hole last time I played it, and never left a shot in a bunker.  At least not the one I started in!  Bunker ping pong is a definite possibility.  But it sure is pretty down there with all that sand.

John Sheehan: #7 at Sonoma is one of my all time favorite par 3's as well. I played high school golf there (Novato v. Sonoma) in 1958!  Will be out there in November for another go, although I hear it may be going private.  Where are you located?


TEPaul

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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2001, 09:06:00 PM »
One of the very best short par 3s I've ever seen is Royal County Down's short (145yds) #7!

It has so much going for it except for one thing that would probably drag it down with most modern golfers--its putting surface is almost completely blind!! And it isn't even hidden in a bowl or anything remotely like that!!--it's actually on a ridge on one of the highest and windest elevation points on the entire course!

I admit, when you see it the first time you have very little idea what to do, but you have a very clear idea what to do the second time and the times after that if you look hard at it and pay attention! Even with concentrated attention it's very demanding but has some very clear-cut strategic options to it--and all in 145yds!


John_Conley

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2001, 12:38:00 PM »
I'll take #3 at White Bear with that big steep hill on the left of the green and the heavily bunkered par 3 at the Dunes at Seville.

Steve Wilson

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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2001, 03:51:00 PM »
I was thinking about posting a thread "Holes that are easy....until you find the trouble."  But after reading some of the comments here, I think this thread of Rich's fills the bill nicely.  The only thing is, most of these holes seem to have the habit of causing trouble early--so they are never really easy and certainly not as easy as they might look.

An 18 hole course composed of the holes mentioned here would have a par of 54, how many people think they could break sixty on it, seventy maybe?

Some days you play golf, some days you find things.

I'm not really registered, but I couldn't find a symbol for certifiable.

"Every good drive by a high handicapper will be punished..."  Garland Bailey at the BUDA in sharing with me what the better player should always remember.

JamieS

Great Short par-3's?
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2001, 06:25:00 PM »
For the Philly crew...how about Manufacturer's G & CC,8th hole.(8th?)

It's about 105-115 yards just a bit downhill over a very deep quarry to a green set in a bowl surrounded by hills, sand, rough. The green is sloped pretty good from back to front, so the player must not only get the yardage correct, but must also be able to control the spin.

It is definitely on the list of great short par 4's in this area.

10th Pine Valley
13th Merion
4th Gulph Mills


Anthony_Nysse

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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2001, 07:27:00 AM »
#8 and #14 @ Maidstone
#8 @ Austin Golf Club
#17 @ Friar's Head
#2 @ Garden City

Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Gib Papazian

Great Short par-3's?
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2001, 11:12:00 AM »
Maybe I missed something above, but how about #18 at Pasatiempo? I guess from the very back tees it does not qualify by yardage, but being downhill it seems close enough.

Danger of making a 5? Only if you hit the green! Otherwise, if you have to chip on, it brings in the possibility of triple-bogey.


THuckaby2

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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2001, 11:18:00 AM »
Gib, 18 Pasa for me is a full-throated 5iron so I sure can't consider that short!  But "great" it is, in spades.

How about 15?  One can sure make 5 there, given the severity of the greens one can 3 or 4 jack any of them and this is no exception... and missing that green anywhere can sure as heck lead to a 5.  Given it's only 135, 2's are sure possible too - but you have to hit a damn good shot to the right place.  15 seems to me to meet all of Rich's requirements.

TH


Gib Papazian

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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2001, 12:07:00 PM »
I'll pull one out of my ear that nobody ever mentions. The 9th hole at Kapalua Village is a bitty par 3 along a ridge that looks innocuous.

The trick is to figure out how to hit the green in the perpetual crosswind that both updrafts and swirls abruptly.

I've tried to hit everything all the way down to a 5-iron with varying degrees of success.

There is an opening on the left front that suggests a low running cut, but the contours of the green and the mounding in front of the putting surface make it a dicey proposition.    


SPDB

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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2001, 03:01:00 PM »
Anthony-
Is Friar's Head open for play? If so please describe the 17th, or the whole course for that matter.