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Mark_Huxford

Robert Hunter questions
« on: October 23, 2001, 03:57:00 AM »

I've just started reading Robert Hunter's book; The Links and have some questions I hope some of you are able to answer.

What practical experience as an Architect did Hunter have before writing this book?

My copy states it was first published in 1926. His philosophy seems very similar to Alister MacKenzie's. Did he meet MacKenzie before they worked on their Californian courses together? (My timeline has MacKenzie's world tour beginning in 1926 - through Australia, New Zealand, South America, back to Britain before visiting California later in 1927.)

Did he design courses after those co-designed with the Good Doctor? I recall Ran or someone here saying he did not.

What sort of man was he and how did he get on with other American Architects?

Mark,


T_MacWood

Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2001, 06:07:00 AM »
Mark
I'm not sure what version you have, but my version of The Links has an excellent profile of Hunter written by John Strawn. I don't have it handy, but what from what I remember:

Hunter married a wealthy women from the east coast, and I believe they lived off of her family's wealth in Connecticut. He was active in politics and social issues and wrote a couple prominent books on the subject. He was fixture among the eastern elite and was a good friend of Macdonald -- who inspired him to take a 6 month tour of the UK to study her great courses, around 1912 - I believe.

He moved to Berkeley during WWI to teach at Cal. He was supposedly involved in the design of a golf course with Willie Watson around this time. His house burned down and he moved to Pebble Beach in the early 20's.

He may have met MacKenzie during his tour of the UK, I don't know. I do know MacKenzie was a great help in producing photos for his book. I also know MacKenzie visited California before traveling to NZ/Oz, but I'm not sure exactly when the book was written, as opposed to being published. (MacKenzie didn't travel to S.America until the 1930's) His last design work was the remodeling of Pebble Beach with Egan (and officially MacKenzie was not involved).

Hunter's social awareness was short lived and after the Depression hit, he took a world cruise and moved to Montecito living off his wife's wealth.


TEPaul

Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2001, 07:00:00 AM »
Mark:

If you are looking into the life and times of Robert Hunter--and he is certainly one  worth looking into, you should simultaneously look into the life and times of a few others that would have been his contemporaries. Most were very familiar with each other--sort of a collaborative group probably!

All, in my opinion certainly, should be considered "renaissance men". Not only were they interested in architecture and all extraordinary thinkers and writers on same, but they were also very interested and adept at other and unusual things vis-a-vis  architecture. That group, with Hunter, would include George Thomas!!, Max Behr!!, probably Leeds, Fowler, A. Tillinghast, MacKenzie, Macdonald, Colt (maybe Maxwell) and maybe even Marion Hollins and even George Crump in a slightly different way.

These people were remarkable really for their diversity as well as their outlook on golf architecture. One might say they lived, thought, wrote and worked in a very different time in architecture, one that had none of the preconceptions of today. They were early and because of that probably felt the need to not only create but to educate American golfers. They were early enough that they probably felt that doing so would popularize the game itself in America.

That luxury doesn't seem to exist anymore. There are so many preconceptions among American golfers now that most of the current practitioners probably just feel the need to give Americans what they think they want! It's a business now and was a business then but back then there was much more freedom of expression because of the lack of preconceptions. And they certainly were expressive thinkers and writers!


Bob_Huntley

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Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2001, 08:18:00 PM »
Tom MacWood:

I like your comment, "he lived off of his wife's money." Contrary to the prevailing thought on the matter, the money you marry is the toughest money you will ever earn.


Mark_Huxford

Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2001, 08:25:00 PM »

Tom P, I remember Geoff saying once that one of the things he is fond of is using his Golden Age book to show people just how bold the Masters were in their thinking and their designs. I am slowly making a study of all the names you mention. Hopefully you'll be around to answer all my questions!

Tom M. many thanks again. I have a Sleeping Bear Press copy and don't have that profile unfortunately. You are right about the MacKenzie contribution from what I have seen so far. Many nice photos from Alwoodley and Moortown which I hadn't seen before. I can imagine a man like Mick Morcom for instance only having to be shown one of these photographs before knowing exactly what to do.

In The Links Hunter uses his searching out of Johnny Ball for a match at Hoylake to describe his British trip and you are absolutely spot on with the date - 1912. How prominent was MacKenzie at that time though?


T_MacWood

Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2001, 12:28:00 PM »
Mark
I'd say he was fairly prominent, especially in the north. He had designed Alwoodley and Moortown, and quite a few other courses in and around Yorkshire.And there weren't too many golf-architects around in those days. He had already published his thirteen principles. I don't recall if he is mentioned in Darwin's book on the Golf Courses of Br.Is.

He was pretty effective in promoting himself and may have very well attended the British Am and/or the Open of 1912, which would have been a natural event for Hunter to attend in order to make numerous important contacts at a single location.


Lou_Duran

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Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2001, 06:20:00 PM »
Mark:

Geoff's "Cypress Point" has a few pages on Robert Hunter.  I found his focus on the causes of poverty and his socialist leanings rather interesting given his position of privilidge and love for an elitist game at that time.  I wonder what role his experiences in golf course architecture and development had in completely reversing his political views by the time of his death.


Mark_Huxford

Robert Hunter questions
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2001, 07:34:00 PM »

Lou if you have Spirit of St Andrews read page 261 - financing golf courses. MacKenzie's argument for capitalism was one of the most interesting parts of the book.

"Where capitalism is strongest the workers are richest, and where socialism is rampant the workers are destitute".

Maybe Robert Hunter was influenced by Alister
MacKenzie on more than just golf?


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