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Joe Hancock

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2008, 11:29:23 AM »
Mark Bourgeois,

You need help. But, wait until you're no longer a member of this group, as I am enjoying the trips you are taking!

Joe
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" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

JC Jones

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2008, 12:08:22 PM »
Quote from: Chip Gaskins on January 17, 2008, 10:49:08 AM
wow, look at the speed the senior members of this board come out :-)  
good luck folks...if you didn't get your answers in quick all the seemingly easy ones have already been mentioned.  though it sounds like many could be wrong.

my guesses:

3) green cut
7) green cut on back and fill on front
14) green cut
16) tee fill
17) green cut on back right, fill on far left
18) fairway fill in second shot landing area

and by senior he means number of posts.... not age!! ;D
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

JC Jones

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2008, 12:32:19 PM »
FIll:

14 green on right
16 green on right
17 green on back/left
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Eric Olsen

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2008, 01:13:57 PM »
1 Fill green
2 cut fairway on left
3 cut green
6 cut right side of green to create steepness
8 fill green
9 fill upper green, lower green au naturelle
11 cut green
13 fill left side of fairway to create chute for aggressive driving lane
17 fill front right of short of green
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Eric Olsen

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2008, 01:38:29 PM »
and cut number 2 green.
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Ian Andrew

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2008, 02:36:45 PM »
I'm laughing - I'm not allowed to enter - and yet I would likely finish below Mr. Moore's entry if I did!
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Brent Boardman

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »
Tom,

Sponsor me a round over at PD, and then I'll divulge my guesses  ;)


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Bill Brightly

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2008, 02:56:55 PM »
Ian,

Why are you ineligible? Have you seen the manuscript? We all want to see your entry!
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Michael Dugger

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2008, 03:12:38 PM »
Quote from: B_Boardman on January 17, 2008, 02:53:32 PM
Tom,

Sponsor me a round over at PD, and then I'll divulge my guesses  ;)


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Puhleez, dude, cough up the $100 and do it yourself.

An amazing value in the big picture....
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What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Brent Boardman

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2008, 03:15:05 PM »
Easy for you to say, Michael.  You're not a poor student...

 :P


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Mike_Cirba

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2008, 03:32:39 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on January 17, 2008, 09:31:01 AM
Mr. Cirba:

I score you at minus 7.  You did get one thing right.


See Wayne and Mike Young....

That's my normal academic record!!

So much for being the teacher's pet.   :'( :-[ ;)
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2008, 03:37:17 PM »
Quote from: MPCirba on January 17, 2008, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on January 17, 2008, 09:31:01 AM
Mr. Cirba:

I score you at minus 7.  You did get one thing right.


See Wayne and Mike Young....

That's my normal academic record!!

So much for being the teacher's pet.   :'( :-[ ;)

Mike,

The point of being a teacher's pet isn't about being smart, it's about getting a passing grade even though you're stupid.

Don't ask me how I know....

 :)
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" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Matthew Hunt

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2008, 04:09:31 PM »
3rd green cut.
4th green cut.
8th green fill.
 
I thoucht there was something wrong with MPC when he got -7 but trying to deciper this from pictures made me want o play PD more. There is no other course that this exercise would be as hard for apart for other than TOC, CP and RCD's front 9.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2008, 04:15:09 PM by Matthew Hunt »
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David_Elvins

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2008, 04:47:37 PM »
I haven't been there but the chance to win a signed book is too good not to have a guess.

Based on photos I will guess that the whole course was raised 25 feet to protect it from the Ocean.  The top 10 feet of sand was removed, 25 feet of rock fill placed across the site and then the sand replaced using GPS equipment to ensure the exact contouring that existed previously.  
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Brent Boardman

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2008, 04:52:35 PM »
I suppose I'll take a guess from pictures, just to give myself a shot...

2) some fill in center of fairway
3) fill right side of green
4) fill for bunkers fronting left green side
6) some cut right side of fairway
10) fill to create green
13) cut right side of green
14) cut to create green
17) cut right, fill left to shelf green

Really, could be anything.  Some areas could just have a little de-veg, some look re-grassed.  It all messes with your head slightly, as far as a competition like this goes.  I think the fact that guesses are all over the place speaks volumes.


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Joe Bentham

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2008, 05:50:59 PM »
4 green cut
14 tee and green cut
Big left fairway bunker on 18 cut

There are a couple of other spots I'd speculate on but those are the three I'm confident in.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2008, 05:00:48 PM by Joe Bentham »
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Bart Bradley

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2008, 06:26:59 PM »
Tom:

I don't have the slightest idea....I will enter my test completely blank and bet that 0 points will beat everyone else's negative score...kind of like bidding 1 dollar on the Price Is Right....

So here is my answer:





 :-X  Lest I open mouth, insert foot and go negativo...

Bart ;D
« Last Edit: January 17, 2008, 06:27:26 PM by Bart Bradley »
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2008, 07:06:20 PM »
Zero points is not going to win it, there are already some positive scores.

The highest possible score is something like +28, if you count any instance of a cut or fill of three feet or more.  It would be lower than that if you only count where we trucked dirt in or out, and call everything else "shaping" instead of "earthmoving", which is how it would show up in most architect's budgets.
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Michael Dugger

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2008, 07:42:38 PM »
Quote from: B_Boardman on January 17, 2008, 03:15:05 PM
Easy for you to say, Michael.  You're not a poor student...

 :P

I am no longer a student, 'tis true, but I am not a rich man either!

Cough up the duckets, Boardman, stay in the yurts.  Get there.

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What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Brent Boardman

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2008, 08:08:16 PM »
Maybe a couple less trips to the pub and a road trip to the coast later this spring is in order...  I'm not stranger to yurts!  lol, thanks Michael  ;) ;D
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Garland Bayley

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »
Quote from: B_Boardman on January 17, 2008, 08:08:16 PM
Maybe a couple less trips to the pub and a road trip to the coast later this spring is in order...  I'm not stranger to yurts!  lol, thanks Michael  ;) ;D


Don't pay any attention to Michael. He's a sucker for the Veblen effect.
;)
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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Brent Boardman

Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2008, 08:19:17 PM »
Though it's been a long time since I [briefly] majored in financial economics, that made me laugh.  Nevertheless, he's probably still right...  :)
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Eric_Terhorst

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2008, 09:35:38 PM »
Tom Doak

Thanks for giving us a chance to play this game and for the hints.  

Here are my guesses:

1 Cut in front, fill toward back of green
2 Cut left of green to provide fill for green
3  Fill green
4  Cut left side of green
5  Fill left side of green
7  Fill at green to build up back
8  Fill at  back of green
10  Cut right side of green
11  Cut at back of green, Fill at front of green
12  Fill left side of green
13  Fill to enable the bunkers guarding the right side of the fairway, inside the dune
14  Cut or fill to create teeing areas
15  Filled-in green
16  Cut left side and in front of green, fill right side of green
17  Fill to create sloped green
18  Cut in landing zone in front of bunker left
18  Fill to create bunkers in front of green
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John Kirk

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2008, 11:19:41 PM »
OK, I'll try.  Fun idea.

18 - Cut landing area in fairway
17 - Fill left side of green
14 - Cut for the green
11 - Cut sand out of green area
7 - Looks like a fill in the fairway
6 - Flatten out the green and rear slope down to 2 green (cut and fill)
4 - Cut green, fill fairway or approach in a couple of places
3 - No idea, but I sure like it!
One last guess - Sand from 2 tee used to fill 1 green area.

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Philippe Binette

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Re:Earthmoving at Pacific Dunes
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2008, 12:13:03 AM »
Easy,

it's all natural, isn't it.
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