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michael j fay

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2006, 05:10:52 PM »
I thought of buying one but most of my golf is with hickories adn I have no cogent idea of how far I hit any of them.

Adam Clayman

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2006, 05:13:21 PM »
Wayne, We are kindred spirits. The last dozen or so rounds here, have been without caddy and without a yardage book.
Using landmarks is my preferred gauge. On our treeless course, it's amazing how few landmarks are needed to judge what ballpark one is in.

Getting fooled is an added joy to using one's eye. It teaches to understand where the fault in thinking ocurred. Using a rangefinde would eliminate that education.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Tom Huckaby

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2006, 05:47:54 PM »
Sean - yes, that has occurred in our lifetimes.

But the genie is not going back in the bottle.

And since it's not, would you rather have the group in front searching all over for sprinkler heads and laboriously pacing or poring over a confusing book forever, or taking a quick shot with one of these and being done with it?

And no, a fair answer is not:  "do nothing, just play".  Remember that genie that's been unleashed.

 ;)
« Last Edit: December 18, 2006, 05:48:36 PM by Tom Huckaby »

JESII

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2006, 05:59:12 PM »
Nothing more rewarding to me than eyeballing a shot...hitting it successfully...and then finding out your "internal" yardage guess was real close...

Jay Flemma

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2006, 06:04:09 PM »
Never.  Tom, I dont agree about "the genie is not going back in the bottle."  Anything learned can be unlearned, we just have to have the will to swing the pendulum the other way...look at the "Microfiber" basketball" for an example...

JR Potts

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2006, 06:04:11 PM »
Tom:

Sorry I wasn't there for you.  I guess I wasn't granted posting rights at the time.

What I find so useful about range finders is their ability to help with carry distances (of fairway bunkers, etc.) without having to go to the yardage book or do the math.  You stand on the tee, you laser the front lip of the bunker and then you bomb it over the top of it.

If you hit it in the rough, so what?  You get your range finder out, you laser the front of the green and then you gouge it out.  They're quite useful. ;D

JR Potts

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2006, 06:05:24 PM »
Nothing more rewarding to me than eyeballing a shot...hitting it successfully...and then finding out your "internal" yardage guess was real close...

Nothing more frustrating than your caddy telling you that you can hit driver, that the water is totally out of play, then ripping your driver right into the water.

C. Squier

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2006, 06:07:00 PM »
This is one argument I'll never understand.  

The purists hate yardages, but they still have 14 clubs in the bag.  Why not just go out with 2, a club to hit through the green and your putter?  If you're so enamoured with being a "feel" player, learn to swipe your 5 iron around all day.  Having 13 + a putter is proof that you're concerned with yardages.  The only difference is that you eyeball the yardage and the other guy points a little laser gun at the flag for their yardage.....in the end, both will probably be within 7-8 yards of each other.  Only in one case, the decision will happen much sooner.

The other part of the argument is that rangefinders eliminate the ground game.  Bullhonkey.  It's not like just because I know its exactly 183 to the pin, I'm going to laser-guide my iron shot right at the pin.  I'm still going to play the correct shot at hand, whether that's a run up through the front of the green or fly it all the way to the hole.  Just because you have 183 in your head, not all other numbers are smitten.....170 with a few bounces and a roll is still in the game.  

Rangefinders speed the game up.  That's a win-win for everyone.  Nobody complains when someone is out there slapping a persimmon or hickories all over the yard, when in fact they probably slow down a round.

And finally.....most golfers can't hit it exactly 183 on call.  That's a fact.  However, they're still better off than just guessing.  

Rangefinders haven't made golf easier.  They don't help you hit the ball one iota.  They simply give you information that you want, quicker.  On that note, I don't even own one.

Live and let golf.

CPS
« Last Edit: December 18, 2006, 06:08:07 PM by Clint Squier »

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2006, 06:19:25 PM »
I fought it for a year, gave in, and now I use it on every hole. Speeds up the game and it is interesting to note that at times, you can be 8 to 10 yards off, especially at angles if you walk off from sprinkler heads v the rangefinder.



Cary,

Has this usage lowered your scores any?

Pete:

I would have to say that knowing the distances correctly does lead to more confident swings and you know that is was you who miss hit it and not your yardage, so I would have to answer yes.

Did it lower my handicap, probably not, nothing will at this point in time.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Tom Huckaby

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2006, 06:23:01 PM »
Sean:

Please understand I don't use such myself - as I say, for me it would be overkill as damn near every course I play is very well marked, and I don't tend to need exact yardages anyway.  "Around 150" is definitely fine for me whether the exact yardage is 145 or 155.

I just would prefer those playing in front of me to use these rather than endlessly pace things off or puzzle through books.  You can call it "relativistic" (and I'm not sure what that means!), I'd prefer to call it realistic.

TH

Michael Moore

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2006, 06:30:44 PM »
I was told by my host at Sand Hills that any guest of his who brought a rangefinder would be asked to leave.  But then again, how many of us stilll use persimmon drivers?

Jerry -

I use a rangefinder and a persimmon driver.

I must say that the Sand Hills rangefinder policy has piqued my interest. Can the host throw you off or does it have to be a ranger? Are you allowed to purchase some souveniers on your way back to the cabin? Do you even get to go to your cabin, or do you head right for Mullen, with your belongings following the next week via third class mail?
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Tom Huckaby

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2006, 06:34:13 PM »
Sean:

OK, you intrigued me with your common use of philosophical terms.  So I looked it up, and well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism

I guess my stance here is relativistic.

But that doesn't make it either wrong or evil.

Some things are worth taking a stand on... others aren't.  You go ahead and pout - I'll continue to have fun playing the game.  If that makes me the root of all evil, then hello Satan come take me now.

 ;D

Bill Gayne

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2006, 07:45:24 PM »
I had Steve Austin's bionic eye transplanted after the TV show was cancelled. No need for a rangefinder.

Jerry Kluger

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2006, 07:48:28 PM »
The Sand Hills policy is purely that of my host.  And yes, I really believe that he would throw my ass off the property if I brought one.  Strange as it seems, I think my Ballyneal host would probably do the same thing - I also wonder what Rupert's view is of rangefinders as he obviously hates carts.  


Mike_Cirba

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2006, 07:51:02 PM »
I've been looking into a skycaddie.  I don't like the idea of taking out a rangefinder for a shot and then putting it back into a case and then repeating the process 40 more times in a round.

I pace off yardages and/or ask a caddie the yardage anyway so I don't see the harm in knowing a yardage to a hazard or green by glancing down at a device clipped to my bag.  Tons of courses are currently mapped.  

Mike Cirba - don't ask me for a yardage when we get together next year if I get one  ;D

Geoffrey,

I've gotten so good recently I no longer need yardage.  ;)

Truthfully, I'm a feel player mostly anyway and find exact yardage to be almost meaningless to my game many days.  Like the player who learns the mechanics, I can see why some people would find them useful.  I'm just not one of them.

I guess I view them like long putters, and ham-headed, 46-inch long drivers, and hybrids and all of the other things that the USGA has permitted that I find annoying.   Overall though, I just hope they don't slow down the game anymore than it already is, and that's what I'm fearful of.

In any case, Geoffrey, I am certainly looking forward to that day.  Besides, you can always give me the wrong Rangefinder yardage if you choose!  ;) ;D
« Last Edit: December 18, 2006, 07:55:38 PM by Mike Cirba »

Matt_Cohn

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2006, 01:07:10 AM »
From a competitive tournament point of view, I think of rangefinders the same way I think of Pro V1's, and 460 cc drivers, and hybrids. I'm fairly convinced that competitive golf is not better off for having all of this technology (although I'm fine with these things for recreational play).

But everybody I play against will be armed with this technology, and I'd be an idiot not to use it as well. I don't have much of a choice!

Mike_Young

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2006, 05:54:25 AM »
Sure would.  I have 6 of the Bushnells.  Also have some walkie talkies.  We used to use two cans with a long string tied between them but found the walkie talkies to be a great improvement......same with the rangefinders vs a tripod mounted measuring device....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2006, 08:08:59 AM »
I'm the proud owner of a totally state-of-the-art system.

It provides a full and complete stereoscopic image of the golf shot which is then processed and combined with the information contained within a huge database of stored information.

This combined data is then fed through a central processor and allows for minute detailed correction processes to occur prior to the golf shot.

The system is getting a bit old now and is beginning to require some ocular assistance, but otherwise it works pretty well.

It's properly known as ISINGUTS - (pronounced "Eyes'n'Guts"). Works as often as I require.

FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2006, 08:18:50 AM »
I WOULD own a rangefinder, but right now it's down the list a bit from some of my other top priorites:

1. left-handed pea splitter
2. electric dog polisher (thanks to Steve Martin)
3. argyle Easter socks
5. the service manual for my '79 Toyota pickup (it's beginning to wear out, I'm afraid)
6. a year's supply of citrus-scented suppositories

But just as soon as I get that stuff, I'm after that baby! ::)
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2006, 10:03:56 AM »
Note- I do not own one of these as I mentioned but I am thinking of it.

To all the naysayers out there

How many of you take the 30 seconds to look at the sprinkler heads when they are marked and either pace or estimate how far your ball is from said marker?

How many of you purchase and look at course guides when you visit a new course?


To those of you who never do so well then very good.  To those who ever use yardage and perhaps hold up play doing so then you are being a bit self righteous and hypocritical.

Tom Huckaby

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2006, 10:09:31 AM »
Sean - cool pic.  I just hope the group in front of me playing it gets on with things... I can see them now searching all over those hummocks for sprinkler heads.

 ;D ;D

Jerry Kluger

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2006, 10:14:11 AM »
Geoff: I am by no means rigid in my thinking on this subject and I too am seriously considering purchasing a range finder.  The question to me is if it would cause you to become too mechanical in your thinking when you are evaluating a shot. I would compare it to riding in a cart versus walking.  You hit your shot, jump into your cart, bs with your friend you are riding with, get to your ball and hit it - I find that if you're walking, you might be talking to your friend but you are looking at the shot you are going to be playing and I usually find a sprinklerhead short of my ball and pace off from there which cuts down the amount of time it takes to be ready to play.  I will say this, I do find it very helpful when sprinklers are marked to the front, middle and back.

Tom Huckaby

Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2006, 10:22:58 AM »
Jerry:

It's not like anyone would be holding a gun to your head forcing you to use the thing if you have it.. seems to me a sane way to handle things would be to use it only in those situations where you're unsure of the distance.  Once you get proficient at using the device, it will most definitely speed up play in those situations.  In all others, just do as you always have.

TH

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2006, 10:25:14 AM »
Note- I do not own one of these as I mentioned but I am thinking of it.

To all the naysayers out there

How many of you take the 30 seconds to look at the sprinkler heads when they are marked and either pace or estimate how far your ball is from said marker?

How many of you purchase and look at course guides when you visit a new course?


To those of you who never do so well then very good.  To those who ever use yardage and perhaps hold up play doing so then you are being a bit self righteous and hypocritical.

Geoffrey,
Since when was there anything wrong with being self-righteous and hypocritical on this site?  I thought it was a requirement for being here! ;)

BTW, I will admit (grudgingly, Huckaby, grudgingly!) that to this point rangefinders haven't slowed play at my club.

My objection is just that you look like a wuss using one.  Golf suffers enough from that already without spending a couple of hundred extra bucks to look even wussier.

So be a man!  Pace off your yardage like God intended; that's why you have two feet and took arithmetic!
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Jerry Kluger

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Re:Would You Own A Rangefinder?
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2006, 10:25:47 AM »
TH: I don't care if people use them and believe me I think I lost a couple of shots per round at Sand Hills because I didn't have one.  I was just interested in hearing people's views about them and to stir up some discussion.