Tim Pitner.........

Troy Russell described the weather at Bandon as having two seasons...............
....... WINDY and wet, or WINDY and dry.

Either way it will be good for you!

Tom

The 18th at Pebble Beach.  Shoot me.

Mike

Huck

Shoot me too.  

TH - Just piling on ya. (and you know it)

Any truly great hole is great to more people than not and if it's not my favorite or is one of the ones that least impressed me, so what?  so, I'd have to say that this is a relative non-topic for me.  

The original "Redan" probably disappointed me the most, but that's obviously pretty personal, it's still a brilliant hole, just that several of the copies are better and I had played them first.  Perhaps more importantly, "Alpsman" didn't work very well.    I do remember the short-lived "capelady" and I thought that was clever.

Who can deny that perhaps the PIT is the most wonderful hole at NBWL?  OR is it Perfection? GATE!!?  (Now there's a wild green!) or perhaps it is SEA with its wonderful tee shot. Eli Burn?

Given at the very least these other holes the original Redan lives in very fast company.

Quote from: BillV aka redanmanŽ on May 26, 2006, 11:48:13 AM

Who can deny that perhaps the PIT is the most wonderful hole at NBWL?  OR is it Perfection? GATE!!?  (Now there's a wild green!) or perhaps it is SEA with its wonderful tee shot.

Given at the very least these other holes the original Redan lives in very fast company.

EXACTLY!

Redan is in fast company for sure... which leads to the underwhelm-ment.

TH

TH,

This is the same way I felt about 16 at Pasa.  Since I had heard it was the good doctor's favorite par he ever built, I was surprised that it was (tops) my third favorite par 4 on the back 9 there...

Huck, you wouldn't slide #1 or #2 ahead of #17? I don't mind how you ranked the others though.

I think you may have 2 one spot too high ( I love 10) but maybe not if you could play it from the new tournament tee.

Huck - Holy crap. I looooooooooooove the second! I remember standing on that tee and thinking I had about a 15 yard area to hit the ball and lo and behold I get up there and you could hit a full wedge across that thing. Wow.

Pasa #2! Woohoo!
Mind-alteringly great golf hole.
The greensite is one of the finest it has ever been my pleasure to experience.

FBD.

PS What is that strange lighting effect in the photo? Oh, wait a minute - it's the SUN, isn't it? And there was me thinking it never shines at Pasa...

I would say the "Redan" at North Berwick. Seemed almost artificial and manufactured and did not inspire at all. But then it followed a hole (13th I think) which called for an approach over a stone wall into a bowl shaped green.

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My ire is raised.

Anybody who fails to appreciate the original Redan at North Berwick doesn't get it.  Here's why:

I played there last summer with my wife and another couple.  My wife, a short but straight hitter, hit a 3 wood just right of the deep Redan bunker and left of the fronting bunkers, and bounced the ball onto the surface and it ran down to 15'.

I hit a well struck 6 iron that carried just onto the front right of the green and ran down to 15'.

Our male fellow player hit a 9 wood with a cut on it that landed left of the hole and wound up just off the back for an easy up and down.

Our female fellow player foozled one into the Redan bunker.

From what I've seen of other Redan holes (Yale, Creek, MidOcean, Chicago), I don't think that variety of shots could be played.  Purely by accident the original Redan offers great variety and amusing, fun play.

Maybe it just gets lost and doesn't stand out in the overall excitement of playing #13 Pit, #14 Perfection and #16 Gate.

****

Re Pasatiempo - that list of back nine par 4s solidifies the point that this is the best back nine in golf.

And isn't that back tee on #2 the original par 5 tee?