Wayne -- Carlton used to kill the Cubs for years...I wonder how many of his wins were against them

and stavros, Is that the same Mello Carmello Martinez that eventually wound up -- and sucked for, I believe -- the Cubs??

Von Hayes was where it was at during that era...  

If you're talking worst all time trades, Gaylord Perry for "Sudden" Sam McDowell ("suddenly" he was out of the majors!) and Orlando Cepeda for whoever they got from the Cardinals for him, rank as the worst ever for those who grew up as SF Giants fans.  

Back on thread, my then 12 year old son and I played that little Otsego course, original 1897, and had a great time.  Very funky and very sporty, a GCA special.

If we're just covering really bad baseball trades then John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander needs to be high on the list. It was one of these trading deadline deals a veteran for a triple A prospect. Alexander successfully completed the season for the Tigers and Smoltz completed the next decade plus for the Braves.

"5 for 1" used to be the nickname of Von Hayes.  There was so much pressure on the guy (and Philadelphia-style pressure at that) and the constant ribbing he got from Pete Rose and others, he just wasn't nearly good enough to merit that kind of trade and was bound to fail.

Mike,  

There were no replays of that Marichal incident and there was a lot of confusion at the time as to what happened.  The following is a recount from baseballLibrary.com:

"On August 22, 1965, Marichal faced Sandy Koufax at Candlestick Park in the heat of a tight pennant race. The Giants and Dodgers had come close to a brawl two days earlier over catcher's interference calls. Los Angeles's Maury Wills had allegedly tipped Tom Haller's mitt with his bat on purpose, and Marichal's best friend, Matty Alou, retaliated by tipping John Roseboro's face mask. Roseboro nearly beaned Alou with his return throw to the mound. In the August 22 game, Marichal had flattened Wills and Ron Fairly with pitches when Roseboro purportedly asked Koufax to hit Marichal. When Koufax refused, Roseboro's return throw came close to Marichal's head. Name-calling ensued, until Roseboro suddenly ripped off his mask and stood up. Marichal rapped the catcher on the head with his bat. What followed was one of the most violent brawls in major league history. Willie Mays led away Roseboro, who had suffered a concussion, while Dodger Bob Miller tackled Marichal, Alou slugged Miller, and Tito Fuentes menaced the Dodgers with his bat. Roseboro sued Marichal, but eventually dropped the suit. Marichal was fined $1750, was suspended for a week, and missed two starts as the Giants finished two games behind the Dodgers. Years later, Marichal said, "I feel sorry that I used the bat."

Roseboro campaigned for Marichal's election into the Hall of Fame and was thanked by Marichal in his induction speech.  My brother played golf with Marichal during the Hall of Fame tournament one year and thought he was a great guy.

I think my sons and I will play Otsega one of the days we're up there.  It sounds like it'll be fun and my boys (ages 14 and 13) can hang in there for 9 holes better than 18.

Didn't the Phillies get a bunch of players from the Angels for Von Hayes in '91 or '92?

Mariano Duncun comes to mind, maybe Kevin Stocker? For some reason I am thinking they got middle infield help in that trade. I was 8 at the time...

Wayne? Anybody?

Kyle,

The Phillies got Ruben Amaro, Jr.--what a great job he's doing as Asst GM   and Kyle Abbot from the Angels for Von Hayes.

Dale Murphy relegated 5 for 1 to the bench so no teams were offering much for Hayes and he wasn't worth much.

Speaking of sunshine.  It sure wasn't sunshiney during game 4 when the Phils blew the 14-9 lead in the seventh and lost 15-14.  Lots of records broken that game.  But it was long, rainy and cold loss and buried the Phils for the series.  Remember Dykstra just missed a towering, juice-induced, grand slam inches from the pole?  That would have given them a huge lead that would've deflated Toronto for sure.

Scott,

I hope you had better rain gear than I had for that game.  I now swear by my Zero Restriction stuff.

Dykstra had a great playoffs that year, got a huge salary jump and his body started falling apart fast!  Maybe it would've been better if he sucked during the playoffs.  The Phils tied up a lot of money on that guy.  Do you recall how scrawny he was with the Mets?  I was too naive to think the worst of him at the time, but it certainly seems like Vitamin S was part of his and many other regimens.

Schilling was an amazing pitcher for the Phils and I'm glad he won some WS titles.  He's a good guy, especially considering the modern player.  He really stands out.  Schilling does a lot of good work for Lou Gehrig's disease and even named his son Gehrig.

Scott, my friend...

NOBODY stops at Wawa for a sub. You stop at Navy Yards to pick up submersibles.

Wawa, however, does sell a fine variety of hoagies.

RF in Veteran's Stadium... Willie Stargell territory.

Well, the thing was invented on Hoag Island in Philadelphia, hence hoagie  

Hero really gets me going, too. That's a fight on a Penn State campus.

Thank you, Scott.  I will sneak out in the early morn and catch the sunrise out on the course.  They don't shoot guys from PA sneaking out on the course do they?  Actually I'll go straight to the superintendent's office and tell them I heard about their course on GCA and had to see it!

Mike,

If you're in Ardmore and Tommy Naccarato is in the car with you and there's a red or orange basket popping through the sunroof, you'll get a police escort alright...straight to the holding cell