in my case, none...cause I don't use one!

How many Polish golfers does it take to use a cheater line?

I knew it was coming....  

and think of the food we can have in our clubhouse when we build our course there Voytek:  pierogies, Polish sausage, and plenty of Vodka.....

Maybe we can get Tom Doak to design one there... I don't even want to start thinking of the name...

But there would be plenty of kielbasy, vodka (forget Scotch), and wild boar on the menu.

While JakaB's approach to architecture appears to be tangential, at least he created posts that could be deemed thought provoking, some on target, others no more off target then many of the OT subjects frequently posted on this site.

Before anyone calls JakaB a jester, or any other names, perhaps they should, at the very least, replace his criticized efforts, by posting interesting threads of their own.

The dismal response to the "an idea" thread, and Robert Hunter's, "The Links" makes me wonder if anyone is seriously interested in golf course architecture.

And, if you claim that you are, how do you manifest that serious interest on this site ?

And, if you claim that you are, how do you manifest that serious interest on this site ?

As a noob, I just absorb, trying to understand why certain courses fill me with awe and other leave me cold.

The line betwen provoking thought and trolling is very thin - and I am very tired of the latter.

This site is a gem - full of intelligent, professional discourse and information. A rarity these days. It is not vigorously moderated for obvious reasons, so it's up to everyone to keep it clean.

Before anyone calls JakaB a jester, or any other names, perhaps they should, at the very least, replace his criticized efforts, by posting interesting threads of their own.

Pat -

I am surprised that you are unable to differentiate between calling someone a name and describing his role.

 Why is  it so hard to just ignore what you don't like? Is it like looking at a car wreck? Most "bad" topics die from the lack of participation. So, let them go.

     I think the off topic discussions are "community building". Serious discussion of any topic can get tiresome.
   

    So, I suggest we lighten up and be grateful that we have a place to go "where people know our names".

Gents:

I miss Dr. Childs also.  I will sure as hell miss JakaB if he doesn't post in here.

Thus it was very nice to hear his voice yesterday, when he called me to discuss my recollection of our round at Shinnecock, mentioned in here on another thread.

Just because they don't post doesn't mean they're gone.... nor that they cease to exist....

 

I'm half Slovak...that has to account for something while I eat my cabbage and noodles.  

you're a good guy and your Slovak-ness is close enough, so I think you're in Mike!

stuffed cabbage is another fine Polish dish, by the way

Gents, after bering away a week playing real golf on the prairie and plains of our great land, enjoying unique and creative golf course architecture on two seriously significant courses, I come back to this purgative thread of emotionalism.  Proclamations from a variety of perspectives, all of which hold some merrit in their varying points of view IMO, have been expressed about the worth and validity of diverse participants postings.  Darn, I hate to be equivacal, but all I can determine from reading the points and counter points, challenges and accusations, answers and defenses, etc., is that we have some very smart people on this site, and they should all bask in the freedom to speak their minds, and protect that right and the place they have found to express themselves.

To be more blunt, they say it is an old Italian expression (although the Poles must have their corresponding maxim), "dont shit where you eat!"  Non si fare cacca dove si mangia...

Lastly, it is a sad coincidence or bad karma or something that I find a situation where three people I have come to know and appreciate for their unique intelligence, through this site and it's predecessor, Golden, Geoff, and John have come to loggerheads and all three get frustrated and leave or threaten to do so.  

John, as I think someone has said above in so many words, their is a thin line between provocative proclamations, court jestering, and devils advocate (call it what you will) and going too far.  I have at times been exasperated by certain things you say and how you say them.  Yet, I try to be patient and see if any good or iteresting thought springs forth from some of your original firebrand posts.  Sometimes, I find you do have an obscure point, and it becomes a point of learning something new or thinking about something in a different way, and sometimes...well it is just another dead end.  

Is it too naive to hope that you all three will reconsider, and take a little more care with the flame throwers, so that the real value of the site is not overshadowed?  But, what would we have here without flirting with the line of barbs, witicism and critical satire once in a while?  Just a stale old treatise on GCA.  Hell, I could read Fred G. Hawtree if I wanted that!

If you respond to my thoughts and expect a reply, you'll have to wait... it is the first day of Men's club here on the frozen tundra!

I also am pure bred Polish, mother's maiden name is Rajewicz, all four grandparents born in the old country.

And, I hate pierogies, go figure.

Looks like we have more Polish than lefties here; half guilty as well!

Yesterday was indeed a black day.