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Mike Benham

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2005, 03:34:15 PM »
Many thanks to Tom and all the others who helped organize the KP IV.  Lots of fun and great to see everyone again.

I can attest to John flat out playing some golf on the back 9 Saturday morning, just calmly ripping 4 woods and long irons at the flags ...



"... and I liked the guy ..."

ed_getka

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2005, 04:00:16 PM »
Doug,
  Thanks for the feedback regarding AS, if Ron M is leaving, then I see no point in trying to do KP V there.

"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

JakaB

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2005, 04:06:56 PM »
I need the name of that Pinot....Vander Borght looks wasted..

THuckaby2

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2005, 10:39:58 PM »
JK:  Lucky pictures of some of the rest of us have not surfaced.. it was not a sober evening.  In any case, Peter brought several different Oregon wines... all muy delicioso.

Ed and John - thanks.  It was a lot of work but obviously well worth it.  

As for KP-V, well... just how bad will conditions be at Apache?  I mean if it's not playable, well... we are there for 54 holes at least... kinda silly to do on dirt, no matter how great a course it is otherwise... we're not there just to look...

Oh well.  We have months and months to settle this.


Evan Fleisher

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2005, 08:48:12 AM »
All I can say to the above accusations is that they are all...TRUE!!!  ;D :o 8) ::)

I played like dog-poop for much of the weekend, but hit the shot of the century when it counted most. Actually, it was about the luckiest shot of all time (and just a warm-up for the shot Tiger hit later on that day! Ha!) and I'm sure I'll never hear the end of it.

Jeff G. had his chances to close me out on the few previous holes, but left the door slightly open on 18. We both grinded that hole out...Jeff hit three GREAT shots to get on the green in regulation, and when I short-sided my 7-iron approach shot I really thought I was dead. As I hit my sand-wedge flop shot, I was thinking back to the little chipping competition that Jeff Fortson and I had the previous night by our party room and just swung easy but firm. The ball sailed up onto the green and rolled a few feet straight into the hole for a birdie.  What a way to finish!!! I was kind of in shock that it actually happened, and more or less just stood there in dis-belief. It was then that Sir Huckaby walked up and informed the group that my point had retained the cup for the SoCal/ROW team...truly unbelieveable.

As for the course itself, truly a neat place to play. The bunker work is very good, both fairway and greenside, but as others have said there are some areas of extremely thick grass that MUST but either shaved or cut back significantly becuase they are causing double penalties by having to take drops out of it...and around bunker fringes that balls are simply not making it down to the sandy surfaces. Playing cooridors are very generous, but again the rough lines need a bit of work. Wind is definitely a factor, especially on the back-nine. A few too many forced carries for the "average" golfer may make this course a bit much for some and will certainly slow down play. Green surfaces had a reasonable amount of internal contours and movement and putted very nicely. The course has a neat Alps hole that was pretty short and fun, there were a couple of risk/reward split fairway holes, and the par-5s were a very nice collection of golf holes. All in all a pretty solid place to play golf...Gib made an excellent choice as a venue for the KPIV!

Golf at MPCC and Pasatiempo made for a great 5-day golf trip, and I'm hoping to be able to attend future versions of the King's Putter.  Thanks to everyone for setting this up, their generosity, and their friendship during a fantastic weekend.
Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

ForkaB

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2005, 08:50:53 AM »
Evan

Change that license plate to "IFLOPITIN", please.

Evan Fleisher

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2005, 09:13:46 AM »
Evan

Change that license plate to "IFLOPITIN", please.

I'm on it!!!  :D
Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

JohnV

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2005, 09:20:27 AM »
I need the name of that Pinot....Vander Borght looks wasted..

No Pinot Noir for me, I drank Beer, Tequila, Pinot Gris and an Italian red that someone else brought.  I think I was more exhausted than wasted. ;)

DMoriarty

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2005, 11:24:02 AM »
Thanks to those who put up with my inabilities on Saturday, and to the valiant efforts of Southern California and ROW for honoring K.P.'s wishes and returning him to his true home.  Had I not made the trip, we'd have won by at least 1 1/2.

Apache sounds terrific for a future event, but unlike Northern California, I am not so sure that Southern California is out of worthy locales just yet.   Gib, this year you hold the KP in the middle of nowhere despite the strong objections of we stalwarts down here, and now you have already planned our next event?   Hmmmm, did Dan make you King?   ::)

Dan, those that know Southern California know that Santa Ynez has long had very good wine, they just dont have a tourist train or the audacity to charge the tasters, so not many knew.  

THuckaby2

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2005, 11:29:43 AM »
I gotta concur with David re how next year goes... as I told one and all when I was asked, I think Apache Stronghold would be fine, but it is SoCal's year to host, and thus in the end it is their call to make.

This also means it's their year to handle the logistics, planning, money collecting, babysitting...

YAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

 ;D

TH

ps - as for us running out of worthy locales, yep, that's it.  I've always said we are a hell-hole for affordable golf, especially with decent affordable lodging anywhere near.  TKP has always been a "frugal" event, and should remain so.

JakaB

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2005, 11:34:17 AM »
What about a "King's Mashie" at Wild Horse??

That would be great but who is going to promise Lou that he gets to play Sand Hills...

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2005, 11:40:11 AM »
Since 2007 will be NorCal's next time to pick locations, that might be a good time to do Arizona.  I'm guessing that C&C's We-Ko-Pa course will be open by then, and maybe Apache S will be able to get some grass in there (or maybe not much can be done during winter to keep it in good condition).  Side trip to Talking Stick (although it's expensive in April).

THuckaby2

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2005, 11:58:46 AM »
Shivas:  if you organize it, they will come.

 ;)

Scott:  sounds good to me.  Hell there really are no frugal NorCal locations.  But we shall see what we shall see....


JakaB

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2005, 12:05:53 PM »
Why can't we have an outing where we focus on the course at hand and not turn it into a competition to see who can bag the best course.....Stevenson Ranch was completely lost with all the posturing that went on this year.  I'm happy for all the guys who got to see the great courses they did but it just seems to defeat the intent on promoting lesser known venues.   Sometimes you guys gobble up courses like it is your last week on earth.....greedy little gluttonous bastards that you are.  Not that there is anything wrong or uncommon with that.

Evan Fleisher

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2005, 12:11:25 PM »
Why was Stevinson Ranch lost in the weekend John?  I personally don't think so, especially since we all got to go around it three times.

There was a fairly good amount of discussion regarding the course in it's current state and what should probably happen to tweak it for future play...it just hasn't been discussed much here online yet, and partially because many of the participants are still out there playing golf these past few days.
Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

Mike Benham

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2005, 12:13:26 PM »
Why can't we have an outing where we focus on the course at hand and not turn it into a competition to see who can bag the best course.....Stevenson Ranch was completely lost with all the posturing that went on this year.  

John - plenty will be said about Stevinson.  I have a few photos of the course, a few holes in particular, to post when I have time.

No one has boasted about where they played or wanted to play so far, it has been low key and it is, of course, your assumption that it was a competition of who played where ... as they say, What happened at Stevinson, stays at Stevinson[/i]  
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Lou_Duran

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2005, 12:34:59 PM »
Barney,

After spending a weekend defending your sorry ass, is this what I get?

As to Sand Hills, I am assuming that you'll take me out there.  If not, I ain't coming.  Do make sure that when the KPV is scheduled at Wild Horse, the snow is off the ground and Sand Hills is already open.  Also, please secure my comp round at Sutton Bay.

You know Barney, we all play golf for a variety of reasons.  Some of us have not had the fine direction and support from our ancestors which enable us to travel for one or two day excursions to places like NGLA and Shinny.  I am not seeking approval, but perhaps just a bit of understanding.  It is just that us lesser folk have to leverage our money and time more prudently.

As much as I like Stevinson and Wild Horse, I could not justify making the trip just to play one course, even if it is just to rub shoulders with people like you.  Ditto for Cypress Point.  If I was coming out to the Peninsula, I would schedule whatever else around it I could.  Personally, I fail to understand what high principle you are relying upon.  But there is quite a bit about you that I fail to grasp.  Maybe it has something to do with the passing of age on my part, or the dark books you immerse yourself in late at night.

Anyways, I am still waiting for my invitation to play Victoria National on the club's dime.  But in order to do that, please be sure to procure promises from at least three other "Top 100" courses on either of the GW lists.  Also, can I stay at your 5,000 s.f. "country cottage" for free?  I understand that your family does things the "right" way.  Is it but for the grace of God go I?  Or maybe it has more to do with life's lottery or the lucky sperm theory.  Life can be harsh for some of us.  ;)    
« Last Edit: April 13, 2005, 01:25:59 PM by Lou_Duran »

JakaB

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2005, 12:54:20 PM »
Lou,

You guys talked about me on your trip...I wondered why my nuts were burning or was that my ears.  You have an open invite from me to play Victoria National not that you need one....I am almost proud to say that anyone from this site can probably play the course with a simple call to our very nice to a fault pro...Tom Rose.  Playing with me is just a bonus...and except for this month of July you or anyone else are welcome to stay at Ranch Barney for free...I would suggest renting a nice car and playing the Indianapolis, Columbus, Victoria triangle....we do have some nice golf in a three hour radius and it is all free for the right people.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2005, 01:37:02 PM by John B. Kavanaugh »

Lou_Duran

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2005, 01:59:00 PM »
Barney,

For better or worse, you are one of the stars on this site.  Fortunately, those of us who have played a bit of golf with you "know" the real Barney and we watch your back.

There really was not that much discussed about you or access to other courses.  As far as I know, nearly all of us played three rounds at Stevinson, and several other courses in the SF/Monterey area.

We all got along famously, though Huckaby and I did have a few choice words after he whacked me 4 - 2 on one match, and won two bets on another.  The man remains the amiable "oh shucks" assasin that he's always been.

As to his hand injury, give me a break.  Personally, I suspect that he had a couple of bones fused by top specialist in golf medicine to better support the club at the top of his swing.  If he is on a restricted schedule, it certainly didn't show.

And while Bob Huntley is famous for his endearing, and seemingly condoling word to his wounded opponent (Pitty!), he takes a back seat to Hucks' lamentations about his competitors' bad luck and poor putting despite making a fine stroke (as if we were playing horse shoes).  Personally, I wish he would have been less polite and told me that I was decelarating in a major way as it was evident to everybody but me.  

Barney, thanks for your kind, though prodded invitation to play "The National" (that's how the members at Dallas National refer to their course).  It is on my "wish list", but due to circumstances beyond my control, it is doubtful that this will be the year.

However, if July is the month when your extended clan gets together at the camp, that's when I want to come.  It would be most interesting to meet all the other Barnies.  And I'll wave my mandatory three promises rule.  You know, I just aspire to be one of the "right people".

Mike Hendren

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2005, 02:01:06 PM »
....we do have some nice golf in a three hour radius and it is all free for the right people.

What?  And to think I paid $17 for a poke at Doak!  Or was it a Doak in a poke?

Mike
« Last Edit: April 13, 2005, 02:01:42 PM by Mike_Hendren »
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

THuckaby2

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2005, 02:09:37 PM »
Lou:

I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam.

 ;D

Decelerating on putts?  I guess that might have been it... hell putting is all mysticism to me.  Some days the gods let them in, others they don't.  The gods were definitely on my side in our match.

That being said, I must admit I was pleased with my play during the event... my injury seems to be healed...I was pain free the whole time.  Well I had plenty of pain from being hungover, but the wrist didn't hurt.  But then maybe that had to do with the evening's imbibing also.  Oh never mind.

 ;D

Mike_Golden

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2005, 05:24:43 PM »
David,

As a soon to be former SoCal I agree that there are places in SoCal closer to major airports that would be good venues for KP V.  My suggestion would be to consider having it a Billy Bell Sr/Jr weekend and pick several worthy public courses.  The play might be a little slow but Rec Park, Costa Mesa (Los Lagos, even Mesa Linda) are really interesting courses that are lots of fun.  Throw in the Brookside courses in Pasasdena (Tillie) and it would make for lots of interesting conversation.  Or, just call the Donald and maybe he'll give us Trump Whateveritscalled in Palos Verde just so he can participate. ;D

As for Stevinson Ranch, I like the golf course and hate the location.  I can see where higher handicappers would really have a tough time, particularly if tee shots are an issue, but the greens were well conditioned, there's a real variety in the holes, and I would look forward to playing it sometime when the savannah grasses are thinner and the grass bunkers cut so that you can get a ball out of them in less than 2 strokes.  There's only one bad hole (#11) and it can be a routine birdie opportunity if you hit 3 iron, 5 iron, and wedge to the green.  For every long tough par 4 (#9, #17, maybe one other) there's a par 4 that's a real birdie opportunity and the par 3's have variety as well.  All in all it was a very enjoyable weekend although it's unfortunate that more people didn't make the long trek.

In answer to the comment of our site watchdog, I didn't play anything other than Stevinson during my visit (I could have played SFGC on Monday-totally unrelated to GCA-but needed to get back to SoCal) nor did many of the others who attended so I'll put those comments in the same trash can as all of his others.

ed_getka

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2005, 05:30:27 PM »
However many labors were performed by Hercules of legend, they were surpassed Saturday afternoon by Thomas of Huckaby. He carried my pathetic butt all the way to the 17th hole. Tom looked like the Iron Byron he has always been, and I suspect Lou may be right about those fused bones to help with positioning at the top. ;)
   Stevinson seemed to be enjoyed by most (with the exception of Moriarty), and doesn't pale in comparison to many courses.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

George Pazin

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Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2005, 05:46:23 PM »
Thanks for all the updates - always knew Evan was something special. :)

Congrats Bill - couldn't happen to a nicer guy. And another person who can now rip Huck and Shivas for their lack thereof.

 ;D
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

DMoriarty

Re:The Putter stays!!!!
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2005, 06:08:17 PM »
Ed,

I enjoyed the company but I did not enjoy my inability to hit the ball in the air.  

As for the course, I liked it a bit more this time around, but I am still surprised that some around here like it as much as they do.  While I hope that this time we get plenty of honest and forthright discussion, I dont think I am the right person to start things off.  

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