[Matthew Hunt]

I though Sand Hills was pravite with hard to get Tee-Times but a lot of people seem to have played it.

[Andy Troeger]

Matthew,

There's any number of ways to do your "rating system." The easiest way to do it would be Mr. Doak's method just using 1-10...otherwise the numbers get rather detailed and people won't be as likely to take the time to fill it out. Also, most of this group understands the system. I would think it would be wise to get permission before jumping in...but its a thought.

You'd still need decent participation to make it work, but I think the results would be interesting. You also won't ever be able to completely get rid of the experience factor...using the previous example the poster who thinks Talking Stick and We-Ko-Pa are #1 and #2 are likely to give them high ratings as well in many cases, not realizing how many better courses might be out there (not making any judgements on those courses--I'm just using them as they're already mentioned).

[Jerry Kluger]

A quick glance at the list and I didn't see Friars Head, Plainfield or Winged Foot - maybe I missed them. If not, I wonder what should be made of their omission?

[Jim Franklin]

Winged Foot (W) #80. Friars Head #29.

It is tough to base a ranking on just someone's top 10. Plainfield is a fantastic course and deserves mention, but since it doesn't fall in my top 10, it gets no points.

[Jerry Kluger]

Jeez, and I thought my eyesight was okay.

[John Kirk]

Winged Foot (East) is at #16.  I have to believe there were miscalculations made when adding WF East and West points.

Also, Bandon Dunes is on the list twice, at 13 and 5 points.

You have to rate all courses, rather than an MVP style voting system where only the top 12 or 15 receive votes.  Courses like Riviera or Plainfield, which may not make many top 10 lists, would make lots of top 30 lists, and are under-represented on this list.

Once Shivas' votes are tallied, Jans National will be top 50 in the world.

Spelling errors, working down the list:

Merion
Royal Dornoch
Shinnecock Hills
Kingsley Club
Prairie Dunes
Turnberry (Ailsa)
Oakmont
Lahinch
Blackwolf Run
Machrihanish
Greywalls (Marquette GC)
Senione is probably Seminole

Seminole must be really hard to get on, given its low ranking.

[Ed Tilley]

How does Royal St. Georges (no.48) compare to Sandwich (no.62)? I've heard they're very similar. Has anyone played them both?  

[Tony_Muldoon]

Once Shivas' votes are tallied, Jans National will be top 50 in the world.

Speaking of which hasn't it just closed it's reverse course after it's short season? I wonder how many rounds this year?  I do hope the honesty box wasn't abused.

Calling Shivas...

[Matthew Hunt]

What does WWPB stand for?

And what is Jans National?

[Jordan Wall]

Can somebody bring up the Reverse Jans thread for Matthew

Probably the funniest thread I have ever read!

[Matthew Hunt]

So Jans National is a fantasy Course

edit: I know what it is now.

[Eric Franzen]

What does WWPB stand for?

World Woods Pine Barrens

[Tim Bert]

It is painfully obvious that not enough GCA folks have played Oakmont, Augusta, or Cypress Point.

Someone will want to make them aware of this oversight.  No doubt they will be flying us out in bunches to fix the problem!

[Matthew Hunt]

It is painfully obvious that not enough GCA folks have played Oakmont, Augusta, or Cypress Point.

Someone will want to make them aware of this oversight.  No doubt they will be flying us out in bunches to fix the problem!

First Class British Airways is the only thing that would get me to play them Pitch and Putts .

[Matthew Hunt]

Should I count "Jans National"?

[John Kirk]

Also, Matthew...

Jans National is a small course in the Chicago area where Shivas plays occasionally.  I don't know any other details (probably a 9 hole course), other than Shivas thinks it's the greatest course in the world.  It's probably better known as the Peter Jans Municipal course, or something like that.

[Jordan Wall]

http://www.peterjansgolf.org/

 

[Matthew Hunt]

I think I will include it just to see if they believe they were elected in to the Top 50 in the World

[Matthew Hunt]

What does "FI" stand for

[Joe Hancock]

I think I will include it just to see if they believe they were elected in to the Top 50 in the World

May as well...there's a yet to be built course on the list too.

Joe

[Matthew Hunt]

What Course is that Joe and at what number ?

It shall be deleted!

[Matthew Hunt]

List up to Post #60

1.St Andrews Old 214pts
2. Sand Hills 187
3. Pine Valley 154
4. Royal Dornoch 152
5. NGLA 125
6. Royal County Down 123
7. Merion 121
8. Cypess Point 105
9. Pacific Dunes 105
10. Shinnecock Hills 89
11. Ballybunion 88
12. Pebble Beach 78
13. Royal Melbourne(West) 69
14. Muirfield 61
15. Crystal Downs 53
16.Winged Foot (West)43
17. Ballyneal 42
18. North Berwick 39
19. Pinehurst #2 39
20. Prairie Dunes 39
21. Woodhall Spa  35
22. Kingsley Club 32
23. Augusta National 29
24. Sunningdale Old 35
25.Royal St Georges 27
26.Turnberry (Ailsa) 23
27. Friars Head 22
28. Whistling Straits 22
29. Teeth  of Dog 22
30. The Ocean Course 22
31. Carnoustie (Championship) 21
32. Garden City GC 21
33. Royal Portrush 20
34. The Golf Club 19
35. Bandon Dunes 18
36. Victoria National 18
37. Bethpage Black 18
38. Royal Cinque Ports 18
39. SFGC 18
40. Lawsonia Links (Green River WI) 15
41. Oakmont 14
42. Yale 14
43. TPC at Sawgrass 13
44.  Barnbougle Dunes 13
45.  Pasatiempo 13
46. Dancing Rabbit - Azaleas (Choctaw, MS) 12
47. Wolf Run GC 12
48. Lahinch 11
49. Bandon Trails 11
50. High Pointe 10
51. Kingsbarns 10
52. Addington 10
53. St. George's (Toronto) 10
54. Harbour Town GL (Hilton Head Island, SC) 10
55. Black Wolf Run GC 10
56. Capstone Club (Brookwood, AL) 10
57. Royal Birkdale 10
58. Cascades 9
59. Cobblestone (Acworth, GA) 9
60. Tobacco Road 9
61. Maidstone 8
62. Mayacama 8
63. Hoylake 8
64.  Riviera 8
65. Sebonack 8
66. Birkdale 8
67. Pennard 8
68. Machrihans 8
69. GreyWalls 8
70. Annbriar (Waterloo, IL) 8
71. Banff Springs 8
72. Highlands (Cape Breton) 7
73. Cruden Bay 7
74. Dancing Rabbit – Oaks 7
75.  Kingston Heath 7
76. Sandwich 7
77. Preswick 7
78. Metropolitan, Vic 7
79. Point O'Woods GC 7
80. Rolling green 6
81. Wild Horse 6
82. French Lick 6
83. New South Wales 6
84. Berkshire Red 6
85.  Kinloch 6
86. Arcadia Bluffs 6
87. Shaker Run (Lebanon, OH) 6
88. Paa-Ko Ridge GC 6
89. Cape Kidnappers 5
90.Winged Foot(East)5
91.  Portmarnock 5
92. Woking 5
93. RTJ Capitol Hill Links (Auburn, AL) 5
94. Pennard 5
95. Fishers Island 5
96. Burnham and Berrow 5
97. Rustic Canyon 4
98. Black Mesa GC (Espanola, NM) 4
99. BCC Five Farms 4
100. The European Club 4
101 Camargo 4
102. Senione 4
103. WWPB 4
104. Crail 3
105. University Ridge (Madison, WI)3
106. Nob North (Cohutta, GA)3
107. Apache Stronghold 3
108. Olympic 3
109. Peeping Rock 3
110. Royal Adelaide 3
111. Palmetto 3
112. New Zealand GC 2
113. Congressional 2
114.K Club 2
115. The Country Club 2
116. Royal Melbourne (East) 2
117. Spencer T Olin (Alton, IL) 2
118. Long Cove GC (Hilton Head Island, SC) 2
119. Newport National 2
120. Roses Point 1
121. Crooked Stick GC (Carmel, IN) 1
122. The Frog (Villa Rica, GA) 1
123. Aiken CC (Highland) 1
124. Kilkeel 1
125. Winchester GC 1
126. Boston Golf Club 1
127. Rye 1
128. Royal St. Kitts 1
129. Wolf Point Club 1
130. We-Ko-Pa 1
131.  Sutton Bay 1
132. Wanamoisett GC 1

[John Kirk]

FI = Fisher's Island, a remote and private Seth Raynor design.  Don't know whether it is considered in New York or Connecticut or Rhode Island or what.

[Gene Greco]

FI = Fisher's Island, a remote and private Seth Raynor design.  Don't know whether it is considered in New York or Connecticut or Rhode Island or what.

It's part of NY, John.

[Rick Shefchik]

Looks like my ballot wasn't counted. That's okay -- it's hard to feel slighted by a list that has Oakmont at 40th, Riviera at 64th and Royal Melbourne at 116th.

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