Well, Seve and Sergio might have asked for relief if in the situation Love found himself, but, based on his actions at the Masters, it is a certainty that Ernie Els would have.

You're damn straight he'd shoot you! I can just see the turkey hunt now!

BAAAABOOOOM goes Davis's 8 gauge shot gun (not a gun for geeks, BTW!).

Davis: "Ah, gee I thought that (Huckaby) was a turkey---he sure looked like turkey, walked like a turkey and talked like a turkey. Are you sure that guy's not a turkey?"

Maybe we can get Davis to forget the whole unfortunate incident?

I'd begin offering to change your internet handle to Turkaby, for eternity. To start.

Yeah right.  I'll do that if you take the CL off your last name and add a G.

Sir Turkeyaby, I was not the one who foolishly held-on to a contrairian belief, then state it in public, because of someone else's love for Love.

Plus, I'm secure in my happy go lucky existence, to bear said monicker, if I had publicly called him that list of non-deplumes you did, and if he agreed that he wouldn't shoot me.  

Quote from: Tom Huckaby on September 22, 2004, 09:48:38 AM

Yeah right.  I'll do that if you take the CL off your last name and add a G.

Sir Turkeyaby, I was not the one who foolishly held-on to a contrairian belief, then state it in public, because of someone else's love for Love.

Plus, I'm secure in my happy go lucky existence, to bear said monicker, if I had publicly called him that list of non-deplumes you did, and if he agreed that he wouldn't shoot me.  

OK Adam.  On that great day I go turkey hunting with Mr. Love, I shall accept that moniker, if it means I don't get shot.  Until such time, I shall stick with my own name, thank you very much.

I still don't like Davis Love.  I also feel confident he has better things to do than to read this forum, or care about what a dweeb like me says.  

And I'm happy you are secure.  I feel pretty good about mine own self as well.

 

TomH;

Golf in coastal Georgia is great but sometimes it takes some special preparation. Practice looking over you shoulder!  

That's more like it TomH! Don't you just be saying that, though, and not meaning it. Those rural boys down in Georgia are a whole lot better at smellin' a rat than you mght think they are. They don't trust those ultra modern liberal left coasters that much either. Did you ever see that movie with Burt Reynolds about that time those city slickers took that rafting trip down some rural wilderness river in Georgia and ran into some of those good ol boys out on the river by mistake?

tom huck......if you are already in cuscawilla ,it would be much closer and easier to let us host you and a group of GCA freinds at our new course on lake greenwood in nearby s.c....besides, although turkeys are everywhere this time of year ,you would be more apt to call up a 5' cottonmouth or hog than a decent gobbler.......but then again ,its alot like golf ,any excuse to get out there [and you might really like hanging out in the river swamp].

these are both serious offers ,let me know if you can.....p :)ul

Er uh Paul, when it comes to any form of hunting, the goober/dweeb/geek is all ME.  I am a city boy through and through and the only weapons I have ever fired have been in video game arcades.  

So that's nice and all, and I do appreciate it... but for the health and safety of one and all, it's best for me to decline.

As for additional GOLF, well I am always up for that.  But unfortunately, the schedule is fully set (for me anyway) already.  I get there and play Athens CC (thank you Mr. Young!), then it's Cuscowilla all day Sat and Sun, the off to the airport.

Thanks anyway, though!

TH

"So I am afraid - very afraid.  All this talk has scared the dislike of Love clean out of me."

TomH:

Good deal! You're about half way home, my friend. But just remember, you better be totally sincere about what you just said. Guys like Davis and Mark Love and Paul Cowley can smell an insincere city slicker or West Coaster coming about two states away!

"Second, gimme a break!  Not cheating is what you're SUPPOSED TO DO!  The fact is that the guy did what he's supposed to do.  I ain't givin' out anything more than a rubber cookie for that."

Dave:

I just don't think either you or a number of others really understand the significance of that situation with Love on #18 at Oakland Hills. It's not a matter of him just doing (or not doing) what he was supposed to do. You don't seem to realize that there wasn't a rules official out there (or probably anywhere else in the world) who would've thought twice about NOT GIVING LOVE RELIEF in that situation. Word has come back from all around that's pretty clear on that fact now! Don't you even remotely realize what that means?

This is simply not a matter of Love not cheating or not fudging the rules somehow. This was very different. I'm not certain why this is so unclear to most on here. I guess they just don't understand how rules application today (even amongst the world's best rules officials) works that well!

"Pate: "Mr. Tatum, I went to Alabama - not Harvard.  Do I get a free lift or don't I?"."

Chip:

You really should read pages 2-4 of this thread. That kind of thing amongst tour pros, and others, is very common and has been for years. Mostly they feel if they don't ask they'll never get and they completely depend on rules officials for that determination---instead of apparently completely understanding both the technicalities of a rule and also the honorable "spirit" of the game underlying it, as Davis Love seemed to so well. Some may depend as they do on rules officials to be safe but too many of them do it because they know and understand if the rules official makes a mistake (agrees with what they're asking for, even if outrageous, and/or makes a far too liberal interpretation and decision or simply makes a rules decision mistake) they (the player) can proceed under that official's ruling and decision with total impunity!

I really hate to say this because it may be just coincidence but an otherwise good guy, Ernie Els, seems prone to milking every possible nuance of the technicialiites of rules decision making amongst rules officials rather than simply applying the honorable spirit of the situation and going on without even talking to a rules official, as Love did.

Again, this could just be coinicidence but two very public situations amongst rules officials and Els (and perhaps some real mistakes on the part of those rules officials) may have gained Els a US Open championship as well as almost a Master championship.

The rules officials that officiate major tournaments are very good and it really is ironic that word is now out that every single one of them was more than ready to grant Love 24-2 relief on the 18th at Oakland Hills. Word is out now that the ones on the scene (which includes one of the best) was simply amazed when Love never asked. He apparently was standing there ready to have Love ask and demonstrate and he would've been granted 24-2 relief.

What some on here are saying that all Love did was just not cheat is apparently not the way it was at all. It's too bad they don't understand that because they're missing a very interesting and probably very important distinction between the way the rules are applied today and the true spirit of the game that lies beneath the honorable way to use the Rules of Golf.