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Fazio Article
« on: September 10, 2003, 01:06:51 PM »
Fazio selection stirs brouhaha
 

By LORNE RUBENSTEIN
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - Page S1

   
I t's been mentioned here that the American architect Tom Fazio will design a new course near Montreal that will play host to the 2006 Bell Canadian Open. Neither the owners nor the Royal Canadian Golf Association have made the formal announcement. When they do, there's bound to be an outcry that an American and not a Canadian will design the course in Terrebonne, Que., that is supposed to play host to the tournament.

The furor has already started. One Calgarian wrote, "Why aren't we using a Canadian architect? Fazio is a great architect, but what's Canadian about him?"

Another fellow wrote that "the RCGA should be ashamed to be in talks with Tom Fazio about the new Montreal facility they're planning to construct. Shouldn't the Royal Canadian Golf Association have an interest in a Canadian architect?"

Tom McBroom, one of a small group of fine Canadian architects, weighed in yesterday with his views. McBroom, a Toronto-based designer, was in Collingwood, Ont., looking at property for a course he's doing with Tom Lehman, the 1996 British Open champion who played last week in the Bell Canadian Open at the Hamilton Golf and Country Club.

"It makes me sick," McBroom said of the decision to use an American architect. "What sense is there in using a U.S. architect? It started with the RCGA picking Jack Nicklaus to design Glen Abbey. Fazio is a great designer who does great work. It's nothing against him, but this decision just leaves me shaking."

The RCGA didn't make the decision to choose Fazio. Gord Stollery and Michael Columbos are the partners in CCQ, the firm that owns the Terrebonne property. Stollery and his sister own Angus Glen Golf Club in Markham, Ont. The South course at Angus Glen was the venue for last year's Bell Canadian Open. The South course will also play host to the 2007 tournament. It was Stollery and Columbos who hired Fazio.

"Fazio works for me and not the RCGA, 100 per cent," Stollery said yesterday from Angus Glen. "We invited Fazio to come to the Canadian Open in Hamilton. I don't believe he was there but three of his architects were. The RCGA jumped all over them."

CCQ hasn't yet announced Fazio as the designer of the Bell Canadian Open course. But Fazio's the guy. Graham Cooke, who is based in Beaconsfield, Que., will design another course on the Terrebonne property. Both courses will be public.

"What went into our decision is no more and no less than that Fazio is the No. 1 architect in the world," Stollery said. "I don't mean this as a negative for Canadian architects, but the Fazio team is very impressive. We're getting a good name to start with and we'll get a good product."

Stollery has been around golf a long time, and said he believes there are too many of what he calls "golf snobs," who reflexively think that old is better than new. He was impressed with the way the Hamilton course played and with how well the pros received it, and he plans to pay attention to their comments.

"Fazio won't build a so-called 'stadium course,' " Stollery said. "Architects hate that word. This doesn't mean that the course won't be spectator-friendly. It will. It only makes sense to put the clubhouse on a piece of high ground so that there's great viewing around the 18th green. And the more I look at the property, the more I like it."

Nobody would call Hamilton a stadium course. It wasn't all that easy to get around. Yet the setting around the last green was as 'stadium' as one could get. The architect, Harry Colt, wasn't exactly thinking about the Bell Canadian Open when he laid out the course some 90 years ago. But it stood up because it was the right course in the right setting.

"We considered Canadian architects," Stollery said. "We've been stewing on this for a long time. It's our decision and the RCGA is supportive of it. They don't own the course. We own the course."

Stephen Ross, the RCGA's executive director, once expressed mixed feelings about whether to choose an American or a Canadian architect for the Terrebonne course. But he refused to comment on the choice of Fazio.

"Until the principals are ready to announce the architect, I don't want to say anything," Ross said. "We told them that it was important for them to make the decision, and that we trust them."

Stollery and Columbos must prove that the trust is well placed. Most players didn't like Angus Glen's South course last year. Fazio has done plenty of tremendous courses, including the National Golf Club of Canada in Woodbridge, Ont., which he worked on with his late uncle George. PGA Tour player Ian Leggatt of Cambridge, Ont., considers the National the best test in the country. Fazio will have to do something special in Terrebonne.

A Canadian architect could also do something special. Chances are that Fazio knows this, and that he'll accept the challenge and come up with the goods. He has a blank canvas. Let's see what he does with it.

rube@sympatico.ca
 

Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2003, 01:11:34 PM »
In today's Globe and Mail, rather depressing, especially after we were riding the high of Hamilton receiving this acclaim.

BCD

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2003, 01:27:55 PM »
I just love it when a developer or architect looks upon their golf course as a "PRODUCT." It so ASGCA-ish!

« Last Edit: September 10, 2003, 01:28:05 PM by Tommy_Naccarato »

JohnV

Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2003, 02:17:50 PM »
I didn't know that Colt was Canadian. ;)  The Golden Rule dictates here, "He who has the gold makes the rules."  The owners want Fazio, they get Fazio.

TEPaul

Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2003, 02:30:46 PM »
Alright dammit, if that's the way you feel, that's about all I can take. I suggest every one of Stanley Thompson's US courses should be blown up and redesigned by Tom Fazio!

Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2003, 04:08:52 PM »
John,
You are right, the golden rule does apply.

However, the RCGA does not have to be a part of the project...

That is the shame.

Especially when any Canadian architect (who probably needed the work) would have put their all into a course that had a great significance to Canadian golf.

John Foley

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Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2003, 06:25:38 PM »
Pretty surprising considering how well regarded McBroom, Carrick, Furber & Cooke are held in the Great North. While many a developer choose Fazio on reputation, I would think that the RCGA would have the right to be a little parochial.

Anyone know where exactly Terrebonne is?

I thought Hamilton was a smash, don't kow how they handled the crowds, the course is located in a very residential setting.
Integrity in the moment of choice

Matt Kardash

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Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2003, 07:00:35 PM »
I live in Montreal so I can tell you where Terrebonne is. I guess you can call it a suburb of Montreal. It's maybe 15 minutes north of the island of Montreal. It really isn't far from Montreal. I don't even know where they plan to make this course. I haven't really inquired. I was sure they were gonna give this project to Cooke becuase he seems to get all the projects here in Montreal.

However , i will be honest. Montreal is not a place that has great land for golf. I still remember my teacher telling me that except for a few places, the Saint Lawrence valley(where montreal sits) is one of the flatest places in Canada. So, I can envision Fazio moving lots of earth. Hey, maybe they found a piece of land that has some movement. Hopefully.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Jeremy_Glenn.

Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2003, 10:58:35 PM »
Hey, maybe they found a piece of land that has some movement. Hopefully.

They did.  It's a very nice site.

Norbert P

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Re:Fazio Article
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2003, 11:43:09 PM »
 ... Stollery said yesterday from Angus Glen: "We invited Fazio to come to the Canadian Open in Hamilton. I don't believe he was there but three of his architects were.  ...

Nuff said.  

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