If that were all true, then hell yes this website has jumped the shark.

I just don't see it as being true.  Most here still hate Nicklaus'
work.

No?

Chris:

Furthermore, I've never had any scorn for Jack Nicklaus's architecture in any phase of the interesting and altering phases of his quite long career in architecture.

I think he brought some pretty unique and important aspects and ideas to the entire evolution of golf course architecture.

The only thing that is sometimes a bit off-putting about Nicklaus to me is the extent of his not particularly well hidden mammouth ego.

But I guess a guy would probably not have reached the heights in golf or architecture that he did without that!  

When Jack built Dismal River and didn't go play Sand Hills, it pretty much destoyed his creditability with this crowd.

Upon seeing this thread on January 3, one of my fond hopes for this web site in 2008 is that the moderators will henceforth terminate with extreme prejudice any thread containing the phrase "jump the shark."

Chris Kane,
If I understand correctly--and I admittedly may not as the phrase has become over- and ineptly-used to the point of being meaningless--the phrase "jump the shark" was originally coined to describe ill-conceived attempts to revive a petered-out television show with bizarre plot developments or character changes.    Certainly this little community has a goodly number of bizarre plots, but if you are suggesting that a changing view of Mr. Nicklaus' work, or a softening of the views around here toward Mr. Nicklaus because of his success in working with Mr. Doak somehow means that we have reached a peak and are now on the verge of extinguishing Everything That is Good About Golfclubatlas, then I wholeheartedly disagree.  Even if views have softened toward Mr. Nicklaus, stuff happens and opinions evolve, and what of it?  

If that's not what you're trying to say, please illuminate those of us who are not quite hip enough to appreciate the phrase "jump the shark."

That is an analogy I don't understand at all no matter who many different ways I try to cast or consider it.

Tom, France is the nation Americans love to hate.

I'm curious where you have drawn such a conclusion or is this simply your own opinion    

What are you accusing me of?

If that's not what you're trying to say, please illuminate those of us who are not quite hip enough to appreciate the phrase "jump the shark."

"Jump the shark" was first used here almost four years ago, and has been used regularly since by those who yearn for the good old days.  

Many around here raved about Mayacama long before Sebonack was built.

Starting threads like this only goes towards promoting the very hypocrisy you claim has been committed here.

 

The WORD you are looking for is DELETE.

You're welcome.

Thanks, Martin, you're right, another over-used phrase.  But I was looking for something stronger than "delete" and expletives are frowned upon.

"Jump the shark" was first used here almost four years ago, and has been used regularly since by those who yearn for the good old days.  

 This response doesn't really illuminate your views of the web site, its participants, Nicklaus or Doak, but thanks anyway.

Has Nicklaus's "style" changed over the years? Read Ran's review of the May River Course at Palmetto Bluff and see what you think about one of Nicklaus's new designs:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/mayriver1.html

Tom,

I stand corrected, I need to watch my Sebonack video again to get the details right!  

I take offense with the premise Americans hate France......we saved their country in WWII if you forgot

I don't see much Nicklaus bashing compared to the Fazio and Rees bashing that goes on continuously.....

Tom D.

Late in the run of the TV Show "Happy Days" when the ratings were dwindling and the show needed a little something to spice it up, the Producers crafted a very "dramatic" episode where the Fonz was going to jump his bike over a shark tank. This stunt was thought to have been a good idea to create interest in whether or not Fonzie would make it or not, but the false jeopardy in the scene actually marked the beginning of the end of the show. It was the moment when it became clear that there were no more good ideas left in the concept and it should be put to rest. That's Hollywood's definition of when something or someone has "Jumped the Shark".

Chris,

Were you stoned last night, or just drunk?

Quote from: Chris Kane on January 03, 2008, 06:51:02 PM

Tom, France is the nation Americans love to hate.

And the evidence for this would be?

Personally, I would have thought Americans hate Australia as much as the French, and for much the same reason; our women are better looking, and we have sex with them more often.

Mark

I want to see photographic evidence as well.  The women may or may not have clothes on.

I know the US has a load immigrants, but there didn't get to be some 300 million of us without some sex going on.  

Without a doubt France has become the recent whipping boy for a load of Americans.  The problem is, Americans don't believe anybody should say NO to them.

Ciao