Patrick:

Your post seems to imply that you think this is the case...Care to explain why you think so?

Bart

I am not sure how or why golf carts could be held responsible for muting architectural features. I do not see why that would be the case.

On the other hand, I do think golf carts have, in some cases, allowed golf courses to be built, for better or worse, on severe or dramatic pieces of land.

I am not sure how or why golf carts could be held responsible for muting architectural features. I do not see why that would be the case.

On the other hand, I do think golf carts have, in some cases, allowed golf courses to be built, for better or worse, on severe or dramatic pieces of land.

Of course carts allow courses to be designed on terrain unrealistic for walking.

Quit trying to blame carts for anything and walk if you do not want to use one! Those of us who use them a lot find them worth the rent. You needn't. In fact, stick to flat, featureless, treeless, waterless, ugly terrain if that is what you like.

I love mountains, lakes, rich forest, and I enjoy playing my golf there. Feature that!

Doug

PS: Looks like Doug is in one of THOSE moods.

Bart, you learn quick of the snaring Mucci ways.

 

You are darned right...

It seems to me that there are plusses and minuses to almost everything and while I am sure Mucci will have a good list of the evils of the golf cart, I have a hard time making sweeping generalizations...Some golf courses are probably improved because the golf carts allow courses to be built on mountainous properties or allow for the very best areas of terrain to be used for the golf holes even if they are somewhat scattered about a certain parcel of land...On the whole, I do enjoy walking but riding in a cart does not ruin my round.  I look forward to the "snaring" about to come my way...

By the way, how blessed are we to have this site and to be able to so often proved ignorant and small minded!  

Bart

Pat,

the real architectural damage wrought by golf carts was to:

1) have killed off caddie progams and destroyed recruitment into the game;

2) cultivated a sense among everyday golfers that they are entitled to ride, not walk, thereby missing out on the experience of a tract of land;

3) encouraged incompetent architects to fall back on carts and cart paths as the solutions to all of their routing problems.

The proliferation of golf carts has led to an increase of dramatic tee shots from severe locations.

The eleventh hole at Sugarloaf USA drops one hundred and twenty-six feet. Clearly dramatic, and severely difficult to pick the right club, control the ball, or hit the green.

Patrick:

Your post seems to imply that you think this is the case...Care to explain why you think so?

Bart

Bart,

That's what you infered, I certainly didn't imply it.

Do you think that the potential legal liability created by the combination of severe and dramatic features and the use of golf carts could cause an architect to reconsider designing those features ?

Michael Moore,

You and others are missing the point.

Focus on features in the fairway and adjacent areas along with features near the green and surrounds.

Quote from: Bart Bradley on December 08, 2007, 08:12:39 PM

Patrick:

Your post seems to imply that you think this is the case...Care to explain why you think so?

Bart

Bart,

That's what you infered, I certainly didn't imply it.

Do you think that the potential legal liability created by the combination of severe and dramatic features and the use of golf carts could cause an architect to reconsider designing those features ?

Michael Moore,

You and others are missing the point.

Focus on features in the fairway and adjacent areas along with features near the green and surrounds.

Patrick:

Again...it is probably mixed.  These fears might change it for the less dramatic at times but carts might allow for more dramatic at others...Few golfers, if any, could walk a course like Champion Hills in Hendersonville, NC...Many dramatic elevation changes, up and down...Now, personally, I didn't like Champion Hills but certainly it had dramatic features.  I am sure others can think of specific examples where carts allowed for the design of a truly great dramatic hole/shot...The hike up to tee off at this Banff Springs hole would be daunting without a cart:



So, for me it probably limits in some ways and expands in others....and of course you implied your opinion by asking the question...aren't you a fellow Domer.

Bart

Patrick, as usual, posts a thread on some topic and not long thereafter he basically accuses most everyone of missing the point.

That doesn't say much for Patrick's point or how he presents it, does it?  

I shouldn't admit this, but I think I understood.....

The proliferation of golf carts has led to an increase in dramatic and severely downhill approach shots.

Many courses that are geared exclusively towards the golf cart hoist the golfer over and over again to higher teeing grounds than usual.

Although these teeing grounds are unfortunately not in the field of play, they often lead the golfer to places thereupon that continue to plunge down the same steep slope.

Funny, I thought Patrick was referring to the hideous repetitive mounding and shaping needed to hide carts paths both in the LZ and green complex.