Jay:

He built nothing on the East coast, only in California. Behr did not write a book, he only wrote a series of articles that I feel were all basically strung together in a sort of an "a priori" way to make a couple of fairly fundamental points and hopefully acheive a fairly fundamental direction for architecture and golf. Some of us think he did this because he felt golf and architecture was beginning to head down the wrong roads when he wrote what he did.

"Mr. Paul, I see quotes from Behr on Shackelford's blog on a regular basis.  Are his articles archived somewhere that a computer goof like myself might be able to find some?"

MarkS:

You should probably direct that quesiton to Geoff Shackelford.

But my take is Geoff may've been the first in modern times to attempt to both search for, collect, analyze and perhaps think to write about Max Behr and his ideas. To me it is still something of a question re how any of this information should be disseminated. Just today I shot an email at Geoff asking him what I think are a few pertinent questions about this.

Jay,
You have a pretty solid place near you called the USGA Library. You want to know more, you can IM me.

But then again, with all of this stuff about me being so evil and rotten, you might just think I was sending you on a wild goose chase.

Several of GS's books have Behr quotes. Lines of Charm have quite a few. The USGA archive has alot, but be prepared to sift through alot to find them.

I'd simply like to attest to the fact that Tommy Naccarato is the farthest thing from evil and rotten.

Signed,
Jeff Mingay  

Jay,

hope this works ?

http://search.la84foundation.org/search?q=golf&Author=Max+H.Behr&Keywords=&btnG=Search+LA84&getfields=*&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&output=xml_no_dtd&client=default_frontend&filter=0&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&partialfields=Author%3AMax+H.Behr&proxystylesheet=default_frontend&proxyreload=1

Alfie.

I wish my two paisan friends would sit down with some 'redder the bedder' vino, and fogettaboudit.  Time to give it a rest guys... Tattaglia, Clemenza, the Barzini Bros, even Fredo... they are all gone now... its just time to take care of this 'ting of ours'.

Michael,
I'm being serious, I want to help Jay learn something about Max Behr so he won't misquote the term, Line of Charm again, and again, and again, and again.

 Miller and Shackelford's "Art of Golf Design" has some excellent Max Behr select writings.  (and it's got pichers)

"I wish my two paisan friends would sit down with some 'redder the bedder' vino, and fogettaboudit.  Time to give it a rest guys... Tattaglia, Clemenza, the Barzini Bros, even Fredo... they are all gone now... its just time to take care of this 'ting of ours'."

RJ:

Of course I have no idea who you're referring to. I hope it has nothing to do with the on-going discussion about the philosophy of Max Behr.

"this 'ting of ours'"?

Any of you really want to find the "Keys to the Kingdom" (of truly understanding ultimate excellence in golf architecture)?  Any of you want to find and see the real Mother Lode, the true Promised Land, the Sunlit Uplands?

If you do, find, read, reread, then read again and come to truly understand the articles of Max H. Behr!!

If you can do all that you will be Free at Last---AND You Will THANK GOD ALMIGHTY that you are FREE AT LAST.

Jay
Alfie's already mentioned the only source I know of, except I get to it by going to the amateur athletic foundation los angeles (www.aafla.org).  If you got to the "digital archive" link, then to "periodicals", then to "L84 Foundation Search", you can select "American Golfer" and "Golf Illustrated" and then search by keyword/subject or author's name -- both Behr and Crane as authors bring up many articles. But I think those are only a small fraction of their output, and an even smaller fraction of their 'debate'...but I think there are at least a couple from each man that gives a good picture of their basic approach...
Peter

I recall from years ago Michigan State also had some of his writtings online.