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Bart Bradley

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Are there any Mountain Courses...
« on: October 23, 2007, 05:55:42 PM »
that received a Doak rating of 10?  Although many clearly feel that golf is meant for linksland, I have always had an affinity for mountain golf courses.  They certainly seem to be less likely to be widely acclaimed as "great" or TOP 100 golf courses.  What is the best mountain golf you have played?  What are the "must play" mountain courses? What do you think of this style of golf?  Looking forward to your input.

Kalen Braley

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 06:13:42 PM »
They aren't Doak 10s, and I don't know if they are must plays...

But Lakota Canyon would qualify as Mountain golfing and is the best I've played in this category.  In addition South Mountain here in SLC is worth a play if you ever make it to Utah.

Mark Bourgeois

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 06:30:21 PM »
Bob Huntley's highly-favorable comments towards Stone Eagle really whetted my appetite to play it.

I'd have to think The Toronto Terror wins this category in a walkover, unless Wayne gets a vote!

Mark

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2007, 06:30:54 PM »
Lakota Canyon
Grandfather Mountain
Sanctuary
Wade Hampton
Highland Links
 

You would enjoy all of these
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Bart Bradley

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 06:32:29 PM »
Lakota Canyon
Grandfather Mountain
Sanctuary
Wade Hampton
Highland Links
 

You would enjoy all of these

Thanks...I am a member at Grandfather but am interested in seeing/playing all of the others on your list.

Andy Troeger

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 06:43:37 PM »
I would also add Paa-Ko Ridge in New Mexico. GC at Redlands Mesa in Colorado and Black Mesa in New Mexico certainly have interesting topography but might not quite be "mountain" courses technically. I also recommend Lakota Canyon. There are many courses in Colorado that would qualify as worthwhile if you enjoy the mountains.

Daryl David

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 06:48:48 PM »
Tumble Creek is really a treat.  I don't normally like mountain courses, but it is one I could play everyday and be very happy.

Mark Chaplin

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 06:51:36 PM »
Are there any mountain courses.............in Holland?
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Doug Ralston

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 06:55:32 PM »
StoneCrest in Prestonsburg, KY is built on a revamped strip mine. It is a semi-links style [what I'd call it anyway. It has some nice verticality, and is plain fun.

Some pix: http://www.golfkentuckylinks.com/Pages/Photo%20Pages/Stone%20Crest%20photo.html

Of course, I must mention the best of all. Eagle Ridge at Yatesville Lake State park is absolutely a blast!

Some pix [click on to enlarge]: http://parks.ky.gov/golftrail/18hole/yl/gallery/

Bart Bradley

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 06:59:08 PM »
StoneCrest in Prestonsburg, KY is built on a revamped strip mine. It is a semi-links style [what I'd call it anyway. It has some nice verticality, and is plain fun.

Some pix: http://www.golfkentuckylinks.com/Pages/Photo%20Pages/Stone%20Crest%20photo.html

Of course, I must mention the best of all. Eagle Ridge at Yatesville Lake State park is absolutely a blast!

Some pix [click on to enlarge]: http://parks.ky.gov/golftrail/18hole/yl/gallery/

I looked at some of the photos...links style, to me, is not mountain golf, but it looks fun.

Andy Troeger

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 07:06:34 PM »
Bart,
Couple other courses that would be much closer to you that aren't as good as the ones out west would be Stonehenge at Fairfield Glade and Bear Trace at Cumberland Mountain. Also interesting is a course on top of Renegade Mountain in Crab Orchard, TN. I haven't been there in awhile, its changed names a few times and been redone. Its gorgeous, and if the current owners keep it up I think its a gem.

KBanks

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 08:26:01 PM »
Bart,

Grandfather is one of the better mountain courses I have seen.

Isn't Cascades considered one of the best mountain courses?

I'd like to hear Wayne Morrison's take on where it ranks among Flynn's work.

Ken

Mark_Fine

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 08:37:32 PM »
Nothing that I have played including those listed in earlier posts approach a Doak 10.  Best might be a high 7 or so in my opinion.  

Bart Bradley

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 08:44:17 PM »
Why?  Are no mountain courses worthy of better than 7?  Is there something inherent to mountain courses that keeps them from true greatness?  

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 08:48:09 PM »
Banff has to be considered one of the true giants when talking about Mt golf.  The original Banff routing is something out of Oz.  JC

Tom_Doak

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2007, 09:04:12 PM »
The term "mountain course" is much harder to define than "links course".  Banff, for example, is undeniably set among the mountains, but the site is pretty flat as far as I can discern without having been there myself.  :(

Since I haven't been to Banff and Jasper, probably the highest-rated "mountain courses" in The Confidential Guide were Cape Breton Highlands (though I never would have thought that was a mountain course until it was named above) and the Upper Cascades at The Homestead ... they got 7's or maybe an 8 on the Doak scale.  Ekwanok is also very cool.

It is not impossible to build a 10 in the mountains, but remember there have been way fewer attempts at it than in other locales, and there is usually a lot of terrain which has to be overcome at some point.

Andy Troeger

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2007, 09:13:04 PM »
Brad,
I'd give the better ones on my list a 7 as well generally, which is very good obviously. I do think at least Paa-Ko Ridge is worthy of an 8 after playing it again a couple times earlier this month. The two things that would keep it from being a 10 in my book is the playability aspect of the high desert setting and the difficulty of being able to walk it. I love the greens, the scenery, the movement in the fairways, the variety of holes, and the challenge of the place.

Doug Ralston

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2007, 09:28:02 PM »
The term "mountain course" is much harder to define than "links course".  Banff, for example, is undeniably set among the mountains, but the site is pretty flat as far as I can discern without having been there myself.  :(

Since I haven't been to Banff and Jasper, probably the highest-rated "mountain courses" in The Confidential Guide were Cape Breton Highlands (though I never would have thought that was a mountain course until it was named above) and the Upper Cascades at The Homestead ... they got 7's or maybe an 8 on the Doak scale.  Ekwanok is also very cool.

It is not impossible to build a 10 in the mountains, but remember there have been way fewer attempts at it than in other locales, and there is usually a lot of terrain which has to be overcome at some point.

Of course few attempts [comparatively] have been made thus far. It is the natural progression of golf.

Golf has been played by those who could! Therefor, courses were built near those. Since most wealth started along ocean/sea/river access, the courses were there. Then, as progressive economics brought wealth to the plains and rolling valleys of the countryside, golf developed to follow. Then in the 1990's money in the USA began to reach even Appalachia and even Bobby Joe could afford a cheap set of clubs, so the mountains became a possible site. Of course, it was 1st going to be downscale.

Tom, you really missed the point on the terrain. It is not there to 'overcome', it is there for the imaginative mind to use as a unique opportunity for new insights. Now, it is true you cannot re-create St Andrews there ...... but so what? We already have one!

My beloved Eagle Ridge is not nor ever will be a masterpiece of insight like that 500yr creation 'The Old Course' is. But I sincerely believe that golf is far more versatile an art than to be so narrowly typecast. I certainly hope some open-minded GCA types will not let traditional ideas keep them for creating on that unique canvas.

I repeat, I have never denigrated the wonderful courses that classic GCA thought has produced. I simply do not believe they are anywhere near the limit of the golf art.

Doug

Doug Ralston

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2007, 11:09:14 PM »
I have always found it interesting that the Cascades is considered a "mountain" course.  It really is in a valley as much as anything, but technically I guess located in the Mountains, so with that being said it is probably my highest ranking mountain course.  But if it qualifies as a mountain course then the Pete Dye Club would as well and it would be a close second for me of the courses I have played.

Doug,

While I like Eagle Ridge it is not of the world class caliber and in my version of the Doak Scale I have it in the 5 category.  I have Cascades and Pete Dye as 7's.....



Charlie;

I agree it is not a 10, though I would certainly rate it higher than 5. I simply think mountain golf has as much potential and any other landform. It is simply the youngest possibility, and as yet has not been seriously attempted. Of course, maybe Tiger Woods will do something special in North Carolina. We shall see.

Gerry B

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2007, 11:53:41 PM »
capilano  - close to the mountains
banff
jasper
lookout mountain (just kidding)


worst mountain course - furry creek -40 miles from vancouver

Jim Nugent

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2007, 02:34:12 AM »
Is Doak's own new course in Montana -- Rock Creek Cattle -- a mountain course?  I get the feeling it's going to rank pretty high.  

Mike Sweeney

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2007, 08:56:20 AM »
Taconic is definitely not a 10, but it is the best Mountain course that I have played in a limited portfolio.


Tom_Doak

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2007, 09:11:28 AM »
Doug R:  I don't think I missed the point on the terrain.  If a course is really in the mountains, with large portions of the property having grades in excess of 10 percent, then that terrain has to be "overcome" because you can't play TO it, only OVER it.

I presume that Rock Creek is a mountain course by most people's definition -- you can see mountains clearly from it, and there's 300+ feet of elevation change from one end to the other.

I wouldn't have thought of Taconic as a mountain course.


michael_j_fay

Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 09:16:49 AM »
I would not consider Taconic a mountain course.

It is in the valley in Williamstown, MA. As far as a must play I agree.

I played Mountain Top in Cashiers a couple of weeks ago. It is OK but I prefer the Highlands Country Club next door in Highlands. If Linville is considered a mountain course, it would be at the top of my list.

The most enjoyable mountain course I have played is Southern Down in Wales.

Doug Wright

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Re:Are there any Mountain Courses...
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2007, 10:29:42 AM »
The best mountain course I've played is Kapalua Plantation. You might not initially think of it as a mountain course in that tropical location, but the elevation changes are there in spades. C&C did a great job on that difficult site.

Here in Colorado, Lakota Canyon (Engh) is a very well done course, again especially considering the difficult topography. Another fine course  "in the mountains" that I don't think is a mountain course is Breckenridge GC (Nicklaus) because there is not as much elevation change. I'd say the same about Banff.
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