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John Foley

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What do you think of this par 3??
« on: October 04, 2007, 03:05:18 PM »
 Found this picture on the net today when looking for something. It is a visually stunning hole, or at least a good picture. It's from a well known architect

It's on the short side. 163, 144 & 126 yards from the black, blue & white tees.

I have not played it. Has anyone seen it or played it?

I don't know how you could recover if you miss the green.

Thoughts??

Any guess on course & architect?

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Phil Benedict

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2007, 03:18:04 PM »
If you like the 17th at TPC Sawgrass you'll probably like this hole as well.  Looks like an island green with no water.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2007, 03:24:52 PM by Phil Benedict »
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Dave Bourgeois

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 03:20:27 PM »
Did Jim Engh do it?
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John Foley

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 03:21:36 PM »
Dave - No it's not Jim Engh, but based upon the location you could assume that.
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Jim Nugent

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2007, 03:47:20 PM »
Can you play your ball if you miss the green?  e.g. what happens if you miss short left, and end up in that sea of rocks?  
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Gib_Papazian

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 03:51:40 PM »
My guess would be Jack Nicklaus, and the hole from the regular tees is 205 yards . . . .  ;D
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Michael Dugger

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2007, 04:00:45 PM »
I dig it.  

Wonder if the green is too small to handle 200 yd shots, though.  

Surely my 200 yarders don't come in high and soft!
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Garland Bayley

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2007, 04:18:39 PM »
Looks to me like the kind of setting Fazio likes to create.
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Mike_Cirba

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2007, 04:20:36 PM »
John,

I'm betting Hurdzan/Fry.  

Isn't this their Bully Pulpit course?
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2007, 04:30:03 PM »
I like it.

If you were walking the property with a club and ball, before the course was built, you might try that shot just for fun.

Seems like a good place to build a hole then.
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Garland Bayley

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2007, 04:34:32 PM »
Quote from: MikeCirba on October 04, 2007, 04:20:36 PM
John,

I'm betting Hurdzan/Fry.  

Isn't this their Bully Pulpit course?

It is not Bully Pulpit, and Hurdzan did Bully Pulpit by himself.
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Jeff Spittel

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2007, 04:36:19 PM »
I like it too. Since 165 is a smooth sand wedge for me, a big number would be justified if I couldn't hit that green. ;D
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Garland Bayley

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2007, 04:45:01 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Spittel on October 04, 2007, 04:36:19 PM
I like it too. Since 165 is a smooth sand wedge for me, a big number would be justified if I couldn't hit that green. ;D

I see you have one of the latest sets of irons where you have been guaranteed to hit the sand wedge farther than you used to hit it in your old set. I.e., the loft is 38 degrees. Don't know how you are going to get out of deep bunkers though. That must now be a job for the lob wedge.
 ;D
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Chris Cupit

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2007, 04:46:32 PM »
It is a nice photo but I don't think I like it as a golf hole.

A lot would depend on how big a target the green is.  A 10,000 square foot green--OK.  It does look like a large target and you could roll off the sides and be playable.  Also Im not sure what trouble is long although I assume it looks the same as the trouble in front.  At 6,000 and then I'm voting "No". :)

And yes, I dislike the 17th at TPC as well.
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2007, 04:57:53 PM »
Excellent eye candy but not a good hole in my opinion. Too penal for missing the green. I don't like the 17 at TPC or the 11th at the Ritz in Jupiter, too many big numbers for slight misses.
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Scott Szabo

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2007, 05:13:14 PM »
John,

I forget the name of the course but it is in Colorado, southwestern if memory serves me right.  It is indeed a Nicklaus course.  

I received a brochure in the mail the other day about investment opportunities...

Scott
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2007, 05:27:55 PM »

What else would you do with a green sized plateau?

I think there is a difference between a "natural" plateau and an excavated lake.
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Scott Szabo

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2007, 05:32:11 PM »
I believe the course is called Cougar Canyon.

I'm not a huge fan of these "island" greens.  If you get a big wind and firm conditions they can become almost unplayable.
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Jordan Wall

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2007, 05:36:00 PM »
I'm thinking it could be a Nicklaus course?
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2007, 05:36:28 PM »

That makes it even more interesting...
I wonder who routed this course?
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Doug Ralston

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2007, 05:39:54 PM »
I played Eagle Eye at Bath, MI. It's 17th is supposed to be a nearly exact replica of TPC Sawgrass #17. I hit one 9-iron into the water before staying on, but my 1st shot was really poor, and the second was certainly indifferent, but held.

This green looks larger. I think it should be able to hold most 'indifferent' shots. I like the look of the hole. I suspect a shot onto the rocks sends you to a drop area where a pitch from 50yd or some such is expected.

Looks fun to me.

Doug
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henrye

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2007, 05:45:27 PM »
Looks a little ridiculous, but I'll bet it's fun to play.
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Doug Ralston

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2007, 05:48:49 PM »
BTW;

It's called Cougar Canyon.
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Jay Flemma

Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2007, 05:56:26 PM »
I think Jack's overdoing it.  Whatever he learned from Doak, it sure wasn't minimalism.
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JMorgan

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Re:What do you think of this par 3??
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2007, 05:59:20 PM »
Is this a case of "the landform was there, we need to do something with it?"  

I'd like it more if the recovery options were club-friendly.
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