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G Jones

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Panmure - now in "my home course"
« on: August 30, 2007, 12:11:23 PM »
All,

just thought I'd alert you to Panmure appearing in the my home course section. hope you enjoy!

Gordon

Jason Topp

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 12:16:20 PM »
Gordon:

Well done!  Thanks.

henrye

Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 01:51:24 PM »
Gordon.  In photos it looks like a wonderful place.  At the risk of sounding critical, your description stikes me as somewhat "sterile textbook" and doesn't give one a feel for the place.  Which holes are the best and why?  How strong is the routing?  Would be great to get a better sense of the place.  My guess is that not many on this discussion group have played there.

Norbert P

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 02:13:57 PM »
Gordon, thanks for the great report and pictures.  Great story about Hogan mowing and cleaning, BTW.   That super must have had a real backbone.
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Stan Dodd

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 02:16:56 PM »
I have had the pleasure of many rounds here ( not nearly as many as Gordon), the last on July 26.  It is not sterile at all , it is fun with loads of character. I think Gordon is being a bit reserved in his praise as he is a long time member.
I think the par 3's are really fun with great greens that provide really difficult recovery options.  I was told in the last club championship match both players (one a former Walker Cupper) delibrately misssed a par 3 green short because of the swiftness of the putt from above the hole and the impossible recovery from long.
The clubhouse is one of my favorites in Scotland.  The Secretary, Charles Philip is a top notch gentleman and is true custodian of the game.
Panmure is well worth the effort.

G Jones

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 04:19:43 PM »
Gordon.  In photos it looks like a wonderful place.  At the risk of sounding critical, your description stikes me as somewhat "sterile textbook" and doesn't give one a feel for the place.  Which holes are the best and why?  How strong is the routing?  Would be great to get a better sense of the place.  My guess is that not many on this discussion group have played there.

 ;D As a pure mathematician I would agree that my writing style could probably do with some work... but also, as Stan says, I didn't want to sound too enthusiastic and biased... in fact it didn't really occur to me to give my own opinions... it was more to document info/history about the course... cold rational mathematical influence there...! Anyway, better to play it and enjoy for yourself :-) I didn't want to give too much away ;-)
« Last Edit: August 30, 2007, 04:24:58 PM by G Jones »

Jon Wiggett

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2007, 02:23:15 AM »
Gordon,

thanks for sharing Panmure with us. It looks a wonderful course and I will make an effort to play it next time I am in the region.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2007, 03:26:35 AM »
Thanks Gordon excellent report. I often think this place should be called GolfCourseAtlas.com because that's what we really talk about.  It's great to get a members view of the club and the course.  (Why is that section called My Home COURSE?)


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JMorgan

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2007, 07:10:06 AM »
Thanks, Gordon.  Very nice indeed.

Mark Bourgeois

Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 07:39:48 AM »
Gordon

Thanks and well done. Commonwealth has changed their opening hole from a short 4 to a long(er) 4 as they believed it created pace of play issues.

Does 1 Panmure create any such issues? What's behind the club's discussion to lengthen, and is it anything more than idle talk? And would you characterize 1 as "gambling" or "risk-reward" or does it play really more like a long par 3?

If the latter, has the club discussed introducing higher risk for attempts to drive the green instead of lengthening the hole?

I like 7 green a lot. That dark spot front left: is it an "eyebrow" of turf or a pot bunker?  If the latter, I very much should fear that flag.

My appetite to learn more about the course has been whetted by your pictures and text. Should you decide to extend your piece, might you:

A) tell us more about the founding of the club? Your description calls to mind HCEG and one infers a similar "tale of toffs" (no offense!) may be hiding behind your words. And what's behind the Calcutta connection? Surely there's a "Flashman" story lurking in that!

B) include a picture not only of every hole, but of every tee, approach, and green? I appreciate the pictures posted, those holes under such lovely blue skies, may well have taken 10-15 years to collect given the weather in that part of the world; however, one of the joys of this site is the opportunity to study a course in greater depth than is offered anywhere else.

Many thanks for the piece,
Mark

Jason Blasberg

Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 09:22:16 AM »
Gordon:

Excellent work and great contribution!  I would have thought one of our moderators would have noted Panmure's addition.

Jason

G Jones

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 11:24:20 AM »
Gordon

Thanks and well done. Commonwealth has changed their opening hole from a short 4 to a long(er) 4 as they believed it created pace of play issues.

Does 1 Panmure create any such issues? What's behind the club's discussion to lengthen, and is it anything more than idle talk? And would you characterize 1 as "gambling" or "risk-reward" or does it play really more like a long par 3?

If the latter, has the club discussed introducing higher risk for attempts to drive the green instead of lengthening the hole?

I like 7 green a lot. That dark spot front left: is it an "eyebrow" of turf or a pot bunker?  If the latter, I very much should fear that flag.

My appetite to learn more about the course has been whetted by your pictures and text. Should you decide to extend your piece, might you:

A) tell us more about the founding of the club? Your description calls to mind HCEG and one infers a similar "tale of toffs" (no offense!) may be hiding behind your words. And what's behind the Calcutta connection? Surely there's a "Flashman" story lurking in that!

B) include a picture not only of every hole, but of every tee, approach, and green? I appreciate the pictures posted, those holes under such lovely blue skies, may well have taken 10-15 years to collect given the weather in that part of the world; however, one of the joys of this site is the opportunity to study a course in greater depth than is offered anywhere else.

Many thanks for the piece,
Mark


Mark,

There aren't any tee times other than Saturday and Sunday mornings, and we're a club more noted for the 19th hole than our great golfing and long driving ability, so the first doesn't create many issues congestion-wise. It is true that pros will go for the green, but most members just lay up and aim for a pitch and putt birdie which actually speeds play up as most people hit the fairway with a layup.

It's more rumour about lengthening the first... people talk about it from time to time about it happening potentially, but no firm evidence of a change yet!
If you're a 6 handicapper like me then it's gambling, as if you don't quite catch it and you hit a bunker on the ridge you have a second shot of about 60 yards from up against the face of a deep bunker - not sensible on a short par 4!! But if you hit it a long way, as the pros do, you can just blast it at the left of the green and a greenside bunker is the worst you can expect really.

On the front left of 7, that is a nasty bunker :-) and yes it isn't a good flag to go at! I normally just aim for the middle back of the green as the slope at the back stops it and you get used to putting from the same part of the green :-P

As far as the founding goes, it was one of the original 19 or so clubs that ran the amateur championship until it was handed to the R&A in (i think) the 1920s. And yes, Flashman was probably an out of town member, visiting when he wasn't out plundering the loot of the Empire. :-P
The Calcutta connection is that the nearby city of Dundee was a big port in those days that traded in jute from calcutta... so much of the money of many early members probably came from this, and many were, I'd imagine, ex-east india company or similar.

I would have liked to add more photos, but there is a limit apparently. I thought it better to give people an overall introduction and leave them wanting to see more, than just focus on a few holes and miss out on how the course changes as you go through the routing.

Gordon

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Andrew Mitchell

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2007, 11:51:38 AM »
Excellent write up Gordon.  As I've played Monifieth (immediately to the west) and Carnoustie (immediately to the east) I should really try and fill in the gap.

Are there similarities between Panmure and Monifieth?  From your photographs they seem to sit on similar ground.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:Panmure - now in "my home course"
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2007, 10:10:57 AM »
Gordon — I had the honor of playing there just before the 1975 Open. I played with Peter Crocker, a pro from Australia. We arrived early and found no one there. Suddenly a woman in an apron approached and stood looking at us. "Well, I suppose you all need breakfast!!" she barked. We sat in what I recally was a board room and she brought us the most lovely breakfast I can ever recall eating.

I enjoyed the course, too!
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