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Mike_Young

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Golf in perspective.....
« on: May 24, 2007, 02:50:10 PM »
I am in Managua today.  A week ago 60 men from a small town with no running water or sewer had no jobs.....and those that did were equivalent to $12 per month....
Last week they were hired as labor for a project here on the beach.....they walk 2 miles to be picked up and carried another mile in the back of a pickup truck with 20 others, they sleep in huts of plastic tarp roofs.
Today they got their first pay...$45.....you have never seen such smiles...they don't know a redan, Ben Hogan, triplex but they know this golf stuff and the development in the area is pretty good for them....
And we freak on Merion threads.....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

John Foley

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 03:02:46 PM »
Mike,

I have a good friend who goes down w/ her church to help a local village build their infrastructure. She tells wonderfull stories of the good we work that happens and how much it is appreciated.

Thanks for sharing & take some pictures for us.
Integrity in the moment of choice

Alfie

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 03:41:25 PM »
Mike,

Thanks for such a poignant thread relating to the benefits of the sport versus some of the harsh realities (imbalance) of the planet !

Most of us just don't know we're living. Many need the perspective you have thoughtfully illustrated !

Alfie.

John Kavanaugh

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 03:50:48 PM »
I hope the greenfees for either the locals or foreign visitors reflect the wages that still are cheeper than the overhead associated with slave labor.  I have never understood why when I go to Cancun and stay at the Ritz I spend as much money as if I was in Chicago.

Mike_Young

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 05:13:27 PM »
I hope the greenfees for either the locals or foreign visitors reflect the wages that still are cheeper than the overhead associated with slave labor.  I have never understood why when I go to Cancun and stay at the Ritz I spend as much money as if I was in Chicago.

JK,
I don't disagree......one project I am doing now has a 310 room JW Marriott being built....there are 1000 workers on site at any given time....and they are glad to be there...
I was once told by a large philanthropist that they have no idea where we came from when we stepped off of the plane and showing them would really confuse them....they are happy and don't consider themselves poor....(not the same as the guys I mentioned in beginning)....

"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

John Kavanaugh

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 05:27:37 PM »
Mike,

Could you buy, house, feed, train, keep heathy, breed, chase down and punish and any other incidentals that would come with owning slaves for the same price or less then what you are paying now.  My point being that I question what the real philanthopy of this type of development is if it even exists.  Are peoples lives always made better through work?

Mike_Young

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 05:59:22 PM »
John,
No you could not...not in the US....
The person I speak of has a trust for the children of Costa Rica....he has taken a region that had no jobs, not much education and created an economy that works.....I had many of the same thoughts as you until I saw it evolve....

My father grew up on a dairy farm...I always heard the stories of how my grandfather had to leave school to go work on the farm and how he had to walk to the farm everyday etc...(we have all heard such stories) and then may fahter's generation had to walk 4 miles to school, and then my genration got to ride the bus and maybe a car later and now my kid's generation drives SUV's and BMW;s to school...plays golf after school and some work during the summer....

When I see some of these guys walking to work in these areas today I think they must be youg men like my grandfather's generation...they are glad to have the job....the economy is allowing for better schools..better medical and their children will be the generation compared to my father's generation....
In CR a dentist makes $20,000 a secretary $4000.  
What really has become aparent to me is what can happen when people are given a working economy and want to advance.....I am worried for the genration of my children and their children where many seem to think they are due priviledge and while they are looking down at some of this up and coming workforce the free enterprise system will walk right over them....
Come down here and we can talk some more.....
Mike
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

John Kavanaugh

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 06:42:51 PM »
What concerns me is that after everything is built the locals all seem to hat the tourists.  Be it the Hamptons, Bandon or even a third world country the story is always the same.  Golfers are the modern locusts.

Adam_Messix

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 07:36:21 PM »
Mike--

Your posts put a lot of what goes on in the world in perspective.  I just hope those workman have jobs once the construction project is completed.  

John K--

The locals in any touristy area hate the tourists.  They fill the restaurants, clog the roads, act like they have no clue what's going on, and generally think they own the place.  As I remind some of my local friends here in Cashiers, those tourists are the reason that we are living the good lifestyle that we are, get over it and enjoy the times when they aren't here.  

As an aside, we've had the word "lemmings" and "locusts" both used today on this site.  I never thought we'd get to that point.   ;)

Mike_Young

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2007, 09:49:24 PM »
John,
They actually don't hate the tourist....
Adam,
I agree but I do think it is a growing economy and it is interesting watching it exponentiate.....the jobs will be there if they get the training and education needed...I think....
Whats the temp up there in cashiers?
Mike
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

John Kavanaugh

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 10:43:14 PM »
Mike,

And the Indians thuncked Thanksgiving was a great way to network with the new guys..

Michael Christensen

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2007, 11:45:52 PM »
good for the locals down there.......60 we don't have to worry about getting Z-Visas....now just have to get the other 25 million outta here!  Oh no, but we need cheap labor....but is it really cheap??  ER $$$, public education, state and federal assistance...."how many more MR Speaker!"


John Kavanaugh

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2007, 11:51:17 PM »
Michael,

With all due respect I do love the peoples of that part of the world.  They remind me of the Irish from a few years back...My contention is only that settlers seem to always outstay their welcome.  I can't think of another instance in the history of the world where the original people of a region are still happy and in power....Maybe the Swedes...whoever hurt a Swede..

Mike_Young

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 12:37:19 AM »
Mike,

And the Indians thuncked Thanksgiving was a great way to network with the new guys..

Well maybe they misjudged.....but that turkey really screwed up..look what he did for his descendants....they all turned white and were raised on farms to be executed....so that someone could be thankful...
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Greg Cameron

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 12:41:44 AM »
Tu habla espagnol,amigo Mike?,Great people,great culture,sad heritage(exploitation  by yankee corporations)Try thieir ways,it's thier country.I only wish we had illegal or legal latinos here in Western Canada,other than the criminal minoritity which makes headlines.Buenos Noches....felize manyana.....Greg

James Bennett

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2007, 02:50:54 AM »
I can't think of another instance in the history of the world where the original people of a region are still happy and in power....Maybe the Swedes...whoever hurt a Swede..

Vikings?  Not the dome-inhabiting team from Minnesota that play about 17 games a year.  The nordic ones who used to invade other places (Scotland?).
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

Michael Christensen

Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2007, 09:11:23 AM »
the domed Vikings have been playing 16 games a year lately!  ;D


Paul Stephenson

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2007, 09:45:23 AM »
The Swedes were the Vikings.

The Sami are the original people of Sweden, Norway, and Finland.  The Swedes that we know of today are descendents of Germanic tribes that started to immigrate to the area in the dark ages.

Adam_Messix

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2007, 10:30:14 AM »
Mike--

The high temp here might make it to 71 today.  We need a little bit of rain, I know some courses in the area that are hurting at the moment.  

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Golf in perspective.....
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 10:56:25 PM »
The Swedes were the Vikings.

The Sami are the original people of Sweden, Norway, and Finland.  The Swedes that we know of today are descendents of Germanic tribes that started to immigrate to the area in the dark ages.

Paul, with a name like Stephenson you should know that Norwegians are directly descended from Heaven.
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