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Mark Bourgeois

2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« on: April 02, 2007, 06:54:58 PM »
PGA Tour press release only said "Melbourne."

What would be your second choice for the venue? Metro? Is that what all this work at Commonwealth or Yarra Yarra has been about?

Would they go down the Mornington Peninsula? (Kinda doubt it, but you never know...)

Mark
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Matthew Delahunty

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 07:09:01 PM »
My tip is Kingston Heath.
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Mark_F

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 07:10:35 PM »
I doubt that Commonwealth or Yarra Yarra would have the necessary infrastructure.

If RM is out because it held the event previously, then it would have to be either Metropolitan or KH.

You would hope they don't go down to Moonah Links, but you never know...
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Kevin Pallier

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 07:31:10 PM »
I hope it goes to Kingston Heath. Failing that - RM.

On the peninsula - St. Andrews Beach has plenty of room.
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 07:37:01 PM »
Hey if the Ryder cup can go to the belfry the pres cup can go to moonah!

How would KH be as a championship or match play venue? What's the tournament history on the course and would they resort to "fixing" it if they got it?
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Kevin Pallier

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 07:44:27 PM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on April 02, 2007, 07:37:01 PM
How would KH be as a championship or match play venue? What's the tournament history on the course and would they resort to "fixing" it if they got it?

It's been a damn fine venue for the Australian Open. No fixing required.

http://www.kingstonheath.com.au/guests/aboutus/tournament.mhtml

I see one M Clayton won a Match-Play there  ;D
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RichMacafee

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 08:31:38 PM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on April 02, 2007, 07:37:01 PM
Hey if the Ryder cup can go to the belfry the pres cup can go to moonah!

How would KH be as a championship or match play venue? What's the tournament history on the course and would they resort to "fixing" it if they got it?

There would be pressure for 4 or 5 'tiger tees' I would say. Other than that, the course stands up beautifully to tournament golf with the right preparation and conditioning.

Also, the 16th is a long way from the clubhouse. I would guess there would be pressure to alter the order of play like they did at RM, so matches finish closer to the clubhouse.
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2007, 08:33:19 PM »
Quote from: RichMacafee on April 02, 2007, 08:31:38 PM


There would be pressure for 4 or 5 'tiger tees' I would say.


Even given it would be contested at match not stroke?
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RichMacafee

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2007, 08:39:12 PM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on April 02, 2007, 08:33:19 PM
Quote from: RichMacafee on April 02, 2007, 08:31:38 PM


There would be pressure for 4 or 5 'tiger tees' I would say.


Even given it would be contested at match not stroke?

The tiger tees would definitely be pushed for a stroke event, you're right. For matchplay it may only be a couple.

There are 4 or 5 holes that could easily be lengthened with very little effort and disturbance to the course, which is a nice position to be in if required.

It will be RM, KH or Metro

« Last Edit: April 02, 2007, 08:51:34 PM by RichMacafee »
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Tyler Kearns

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2007, 09:14:05 PM »
Mark,

I believe they played the World Golf Championship matchplay event at Metropolitan a number of years ago, perhaps that will give the edge to Kingston Heath if that indeed are the three courses under consideration (inc. Royal Melbourne).

TK
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Tyler Kearns

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2007, 09:15:35 PM »
Mark,

Could the nod go to Victoria?

TK
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Mark_F

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2007, 09:21:10 PM »
Quote from: Kevin Pallier on April 02, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
On the peninsula - St. Andrews Beach has plenty of room.

A split between National Moonah and St Andrews Beach would be interesting.
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Mark_F

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2007, 09:51:55 PM »
Wherever it is, I wonder if they will fudge the attendance figures?
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Ash Towe

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2007, 09:54:21 PM »
I think Kingston Heath would be a great venue.  Is Moonah Links being considered because it can accomodate large crowds?
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Shane Gurnett

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2007, 09:54:21 PM »
Why would they want to do that Mark?
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2007, 09:55:37 PM »
I highly doubt they would make such an announcement without an agreement of some sort. Maybe the clubs have to sort out who's getting a particular Aussie Open or something like that before they decide which one gets the Presidents Cup.
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Mark_F

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2007, 10:00:30 PM »
Shane,

The organisers of major events in Melbourne seem to be quite adept at fudging attendance figures.

Might not be a problem if it was held at KH - it would look packed there no matter how many showed up.

I assume there is some government money being tipped into the event somewhere - there was at the last one under Fuhrer Jeff, wasn't there?
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Shane Gurnett

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2007, 10:13:26 PM »
Quote from: Mark Ferguson on April 02, 2007, 10:00:30 PM
Shane,

The organisers of major events in Melbourne seem to be quite adept at fudging attendance figures.

Maybe at the swimming and tennis, but I doubt the golf falls into that category (except for the Australian Open when held at Moonah Links

Might not be a problem if it was held at KH - it would look packed there no matter how many showed up.

i doubt they will have any trouble atracting a crowd to this event, provided Tiger is part of the show. KH wqould be an excellent venue


Hopefully they have a better ticketing system in place than the 98 Presidents Cup where they marketed only 4 day passes (no single day passes were to be sold). WIth a week to go and under intense pressure from the media, they buckled and sold single day passes much to the disgust of the 4 day pass holders. Luckily I had sold mine by that stage.
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Mark_F

Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2007, 10:19:17 PM »
Quote from: Shane Gurnett on April 02, 2007, 10:13:26 PM
[/b/]i doubt they will have any trouble atracting a crowd to this event, provided Tiger is part of the show. KH would be an excellent venue[/b]

Won't it depend entirely on the ticket prices?  

I imagine swimming fans, and a few sports fans in general, would have relished the chance of seeing Michael Phelps the last week or so, but $198 was too rich.

I wouldn't pay that to see Woods.
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Shane Gurnett

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2007, 12:49:33 AM »
The local radio here is saying it will be at Royal Melbourne, but not yet confirmed.
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David_Elvins

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2007, 01:09:57 AM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on April 02, 2007, 10:31:09 PM
At least you had the option of watching the swimming in person or on television!

In America, we got one-hour daily highlights, on an obscure channel during working hours. Pathetic!

Oh what I would give for swimming to be releagated to some obscure channel.

Hope it is Royal Melbourne.  They havent had a tournament there for a while and probably won't in the next few years either.  

Wonder if they will make any design changes if they get it?
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RichMacafee

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2007, 01:15:37 AM »
Quote from: Shane Gurnett on April 03, 2007, 12:49:33 AM
The local radio here is saying it will be at Royal Melbourne, but not yet confirmed.

It's definitely not confirmed Shane.
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James Bennett

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2007, 01:19:40 AM »
If they held it on the Mornington Peninsula, I doubt that there would be any issues of crowd control no matter which course they played it at.

If it is played at RM, it would be fantastic.  And, no changes needed for match play, although the short downhill par 4 (where East meets West I think) could be played to the West course green, reducing congestion for the next hole heading East.

I fear (?hope) there might be a few Americans crossing the Pacific and 'rooting' for their team in 2011.

James B
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David_Elvins

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2007, 01:56:48 AM »
Quote from: RichMacafee on April 03, 2007, 01:15:37 AM
Quote from: Shane Gurnett on April 03, 2007, 12:49:33 AM
The local radio here is saying it will be at Royal Melbourne, but not yet confirmed.

It's definitely not confirmed Shane.

It seems like their is some confusion in the media.  Maybe some people don't know there is more than one course in melbourne.  Even the website for the PGA tour's press release has "Royal Melbourne" in the title.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re:2011 President's Cup to Melbourne -- But Where???
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2007, 01:59:43 AM »
Quote from: Mark Ferguson on April 02, 2007, 10:19:17 PM
fans, and a few sports fans in general, would have relished the chance of seeing Michael Phelps the last week or so, but $198 was too rich.

I wouldn't pay that to see Woods.

I would
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