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JMorgan

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Who said this?
« on: March 23, 2007, 08:01:43 AM »
"It is the common opinion that a green will be irretrievably ruined by playing on it during the winter months.  This is a delusion."
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TEPaul

Re:Who said this?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 09:30:41 AM »
The 'irretrievably' part is certainly wrong but it does create something of a maintenance headache come spring when the winter ball damage and footprint-on-frozen-turf damage has to be fixed and dealt with. Those things certainly don't help with the control of poa.
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Eric Morrison

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 09:57:29 AM »
My members?! No really...was it D.J. Ross?
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JMorgan

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 10:02:40 AM »
Nope and nope.  

Here is more:

"Observe carefully, at the beginning of spring, the actual condition of the temporary greens set apart on many courses for the winter.  There is nothing then -- or subsequently -- to give the slightest indication that the roots have been impaired in the least degree -- nor have they."
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Jon Wiggett

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 02:16:03 PM »
Sounds like a Mac. comment
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JESII

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 02:18:42 PM »
Hugh Wilson?
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Adam Clayman

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 02:22:11 PM »
I did?

 ;D

One of the Macs. Allister or CB
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JMorgan

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 02:25:14 PM »
You are all close in that he is not among the living... but no cigar yet.
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Tim McManus

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 04:48:16 PM »
Tillinghast?
« Last Edit: March 23, 2007, 04:48:42 PM by Tim McManus »
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JESII

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 04:53:29 PM »
Who were those two agronomy guys Tom Paul talks about in the early stages of the USGA Greens section?
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 04:53:33 PM »
Alex Russell.

(They don't have much frost in Melbourne.)
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Ken Moum

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 04:58:34 PM »
Quote from: JES II on March 23, 2007, 04:53:29 PM
Who were those two agronomy guys Tom Paul talks about in the early stages of the USGA Greens section?

Piper and Oakley?

Ken
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JMorgan

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 05:40:21 PM »
No Alex Russell
No Charles Piper
and
No Russell Oakley

Though Tom Doak, you are sort of close without knowing it....



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ed_getka

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2007, 06:50:31 PM »
Walter Travis?
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Bob Jenkins

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2007, 07:09:39 PM »

RTJ
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JMorgan

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2007, 07:20:04 PM »
Ed Getka wins the prize, Walter Travis it is.  
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JMorgan

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2007, 07:27:11 PM »
The passage is from Travis' chapter in the book Lawn Making, Together with the Proper Keeping of Putting Greens (1906), edited by Leonard Barron.  

Those particular quotes come from Bob Labbance's biography, The Old Man, which I highly recommend for anyone interested in Travis' life and work.
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Adam Sherer

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2007, 08:07:28 PM »
Did he also say, "Golf makes for good golf" (in reference to foot traffic and keeping good conditions for a putting green) ?

Or what someone else, Hutchinson et. al.?
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JMorgan

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2007, 08:50:00 PM »

"Nothing improves a green so much as being constantly played upon, provided that the holes are frequently changed, before they show any evidence of wear.  The human foot is a great agency, and wonderfully assists the work of the roller.  Every green should be rolled daily with a light roller -- whether it apparently needs it or not."  
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ed_getka

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Re:Who said this?
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2007, 09:55:40 PM »
James,
   I concur with your opinion of the Labbance book. I was slow to getting around to reading it, but when I did last fall it was impressively good. It was cool to learn that Ian Andrew is out there keeping the Travis legacy going.
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.
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