I am but a humble Buckeye who belongs to a very old, venerable and historic course in Cincinnati.  Our bunkering was butchered in the past and it took some of the ethos and history out of it.  Now we've reclaimed our birthright.

I thought he was just being humble and clever.  It may even lead to some architectural discussion and I think he is safe from access requests  considering there are 1881 B Smith's in Ohio alone.

Since Carmago is the obvious, it can't be that. Can it?

Seems obvious to me...Who recently did the work there and what was done?

What the hell does that mean...I probably heard Jim Wagner's name mentioned no less than a dozen times just this weekend.

BTW....not picking on you or the site....It is just a pet peeve of mine

Doak

Don't worry, we will both know when you are picking on me.  Just don't get too whiny.  That is a pet peeve of mine.

Trust me...I dont whine

 Mr Kavanaugh, a guess might be Hyde Park, the old Ross course which had seen many changes over the years, like so many courses from the Golden Era.....a few years back ( 2001??) there was talk/effort put in to a "renovation" effort...not sure of the outcome...

FWIW, I would stop well short of referring to Hyde Park as venerable and historic. The same also goes for Camargo for the most part. Avon Lakes? This course is located in Northeast Ohio to my knowledge. 7700 yards or something crazy like that.

John,

I have no idea. I haven't been out to Camargo in a couple of years. To be honest, I don't think that I would have been able to tell anyway(still don't), but I can't remember anything different from the 15 or so times I had played it. It is a wonderful place, but even though venerable probably does apply, it is not in the first thousand words that come to my mind when hearing Camargo. Is it one of the top 50 in the world before or after the renovations? I doubt it. It is special though. All that being said, it does have some of my favorite par 4's in the world. They say it is recognized for the short holes, but I love some of the par 4's out there. I could play 10 and only 10 for the rest of my life. I have always considered the tee shot a 'poor man's' Merion #1. It is cocktails at Camargo and obviously lunch at Merion that add the flavor.

This is certainly a reference to Camargo. Doak did significant bunker work but I think none in the past two years. I heard but can not vrify that Doak has an ongoing consulting agreement with the club.

Hyde Park is a fine course. Brad Klein helped tham write a long term plan a few years ago. I do not have info on what has been done, though I don't think much as I have a number of friends who are members and have heard nothing.

Coldstream has completed significant bunker restoration over the past three years, but it can hardly be labled "very old" or "venerated," having been opened circa 1960 (Wilson/von Hagge.) It is an excellent course, however.

John K:

We finished the bunker restoration work at Camargo maybe four years ago.  Ran's review is quite a bit older than that, I think.

Camargo is interesting because it might be the first case of "restoration" I know of.  I was first sent there by Pete Dye in 1984 ... Pete had urged the club NOT to rebuild its bunkering in the 1960's, and when they decided twenty years later they'd made a mistake, they called him.  He didn't want to mess with it, but told them he would send them someone who knew what Raynor's work should look like.  (Me.)  Sometimes when I hear Pete talk about the folly of restoration, I think back to Camargo and wonder what changed his mind ... anyway, that's pretty close to a full restoration now although there are a handful of bunkers we haven't put sand back into because I can't see the benefit.

P.S.  The greens expansion and bunker work was done over a 15-year period.  A lot of the construction was done in-house, but the last big push by a contractor from Ohio, Mid-America.  My supervising associate was Tom Mead originally, and Don Placek for the last phase of the work.

Ahhh... Thank you Ryan.