Just curious, why not post a small section of your plan, just in case the architect might possibly be someone else?

Or are you certain it is, and are just trying to confirm if your plan is an original?

If anyone finds Emmet drawings and particularly early ones (I'm talking about pre-1910) I would be REALLY interested in hearing about them and I can guarantee this new USGA architecture archive initiative would be too.

For that matter if ANYONE knows of ANY architectural drawings (other than just stick routings) that precede 1910 from ANY ARCHITECT ANYWHERE I would love to hear about them and so would......

Matter of fact if anyone has anything original on paper from any of the pre 1910 architects I would love to hear about it and so would.....

Mark,

What i find stylistically important is that the fairway lines are all drawn straight, even the doglegs, as if the person was tracing a line out with a ruler and turning it and continuing a straight line.

This is a very distinctive style especially when you take a careful look at the coast line. This is drawn with a highly artistic and talented hand and so the fairway lines the are deliberate rather than done by an amateur or inexperienced hand.

The fairway numbering and directing arrows are also similar to the style used by someone with an engineering background.

Philip:

You make a good point and we noticed this.  It is also interesting to note, though you can't see it in this post, the fairways have stipple pattern on them, (an artistic technique of adding styling/character with MANY tiny dots by a repetitive hand motion on the paper)  This pattern only occurs on the front nine and the back nine has hash marks placed along the edges of fairway lines.

I also found it interesting to see that the artist took time to indicate the flow of play from the last green to the next tee with arrows.  I haven't seen that before.

The bunkers are denoted with hash marks for slope, a common technique and all putting surfaces are shown with straight lines through them too.

Finally, notice how many putting surfaces are drawn with a squarish shape.

Mark:  Was this costruction done at or near the time that Raynor did Hotchkiss?  Knowing that Emmet had an epiphany from seeing Raynor's work, and thinking of the engineering style in the drawing, I wonder??  Do anyof Raynors originals look at all like this?

I'm not sure if I shared this link before, but it purports to list all courses Tull was involved with, many with Emmet.

Interestingly there is nothing there for any course in Webster, so it's obviously not comprehensive but it's still a nice, very useful list.

http://www.rockleigh.org/Recreation/Golf/Tull.htm

Someone mentioned Raynor and he is a name that we have thought of as well.  Maybe Scott will have time to post some photos?

The course opened (best we can tell from references found at The Golf House), in 1922.  That drawing came from a long time resident at Copake Lake who collects postcards.   He apparently scanned it off one of the cards and sent it to us.  

The course sits on the hillside (originally a 174 arce parcel) over looking Copake Lake.  It is a beautiful setting with lots of interesting features including cop mounds, cop bunkers, buried stone walls, some coffin bunkering, squarish greens, some cross bunkers, flanking bunkers, irregular mounding, ...

It will be distinctive when many of these features are touched up and restored.  

Mark
The lettering on the plan is very italicized and stylistically to me looks more like it was drawn in the 1940s to 1950s than very early 20thC. Is it possible it is a later plan of the state of the layout at a particular time?
cheers Neil

I doubt the drawing is an architectural one by the designer.  Perhaps, as suggested, it is a later drawing.

I've seen plans where one 9 is drawn in a different style than the other even when they were built at the same time.  I think it possible that the two nines were being differentiated.

Interesting that both nines are counterclockwise, following a very similar course with the front nine inside the back nine.  With a routing like this, wouldn't you think it probable that it was designed at the same time?

I posted these a while back, but I don't know how to work the search function to recall, so I'll repost...hopefully

I found out late last night that the scan I have of that drawing is from an advertising brochure.  The brochure is 17" x 22" and printed on both sides.  Originally the brochure was folded twice to get it to 8-1/2 x 11.  At sometime the brochure was further folded in thirds to fit in a regular mailing envelope.  The map of the golf course is the middle third of the back of the brochure.  

Whether it is an original drawing or not, we still don't know for sure.  I am now trying to find out a date of when that brochure was printed.  That might at least tell us something.  

Chris,
If you saw the course, you would say if feels like an Emmet design.  There are also touches of Raynor on some of the holes.  Maybe Scott will post a few more photos or I will get to some later.  

Indications are that the course started as 9 holes and 9 were added later with the acquisition of additional land.  Recently, we identified an individual up in the Albany area who says they have a box of "Copake stuff" that was given to them from the deceased author of the Copake history book.  He supposedly kept all his research info. in there.  We need to get up there and go through it.  

I'll try a couple more photos..having some major trouble with photobucket that causes serious delay with uploading pics