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Sean Walsh

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Icelandic Info Anyone?
« on: November 17, 2006, 06:17:02 PM »
I´m spending a few days in Iceland.  As such I have a window of opportunity on Monday to attempt to organise a visit to the Smyers/Faldo project "Black Sand" at Thorlakshofn on the south coast.

Does anyone have any contacts that might be able to help out?  If so please IM or email me.  If I do manage to get a look and the weather gods (Thor perhaps?) are smiling I´ll try and post some photos when I get back to Scotland.

Here´s some links for anyone that wants to know more about the site.

http://www.cybergolf.com/state.asp?stateID=78&newsID=3795

http://www.nickfaldo.com/design/template.php?pid=gallery&t=ga&c=27

Adrian_Stiff

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 06:30:33 PM »
Sean, I am not sure how far the Faldo project is from Reyjavik, but getting about in Iceland is not quick. There are a few nice courses around the capital and one on the coast from Keflavik, which is the main airport. The locals are mad keen on golf and there is a lot of scope for new courses apparently. I saw a new one being built a few years ago nr Geysir, it will be open i expect now, looked a bit dull. A lot of the courses are quite 1960s looking minimal links course with rock and gorsey outcrops, take your camera. Biggest minus this time of year is the dull grey skies. Its a must visit place in my opinion for a variety of reasons, its landscape is almost like another planet.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
www.theplayersgolfclub.com

Sean Walsh

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 06:37:22 PM »
Flew in with hardly a cloud in the sky today so the optimist in me is predominant today..Although the pessimist is telling me that there is a maximum of 4 hours in these here parts at this time of year.

Also on the flight in I saw a linksish possibly 9 holer west of where I think Thorlakshafn is.


Jason Hines

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 11:59:48 PM »
Sean,

I only was able to play two courses while I was there, Keilir and the Oddfellows Club.  Keilir was in Hafnarfjordur, front nine was newer and built into the lava, back nine was as Adrian mentioned, very 60ish.  I have not been back for the last 5 years, great country, and wonderful people.  Please keep us posted, I would like to go back.

Jason

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 05:00:19 AM »
The thunder god went for a ride
Upon his favourite filly.
'I'm Thor!' he cried.
The horse replied'
'You forgot the thaddle, thilly!'

Edwin Roald

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 04:14:19 PM »
Adrian,

The golf course you are referring to at Geysir is my design. It opened in July and fortunately the majority of comments that I have heard is positive. The course is playing quite tough. Some like the challenge and some don’t. Of course, opinions vary, but judging from people’s reactions, “dull” is the very last word I think they’ll use. ;)

I spent yesterday with Sean while he was up here and took him out to see the Black Sand site. I’m sure he will post pics from it when he gets the chance.

Tom Dunne

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 04:32:43 PM »
Edwin, welcome to gca.com. I'll look forward to hearing some news from your projects and from Iceland's emerging golf scene... :)

Adrian_Stiff

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 04:45:59 PM »
Adrian,

The golf course you are referring to at Geysir is my design. It opened in July and fortunately the majority of comments that I have heard is positive. The course is playing quite tough. Some like the challenge and some don’t. Of course, opinions vary, but judging from people’s reactions, “dull” is the very last word I think they’ll use. ;)

I spent yesterday with Sean while he was up here and took him out to see the Black Sand site. I’m sure he will post pics from it when he gets the chance.
Edwin, I look foward to seeing the pics and changing my opinion. I saw the course fairly early in the construction I think. Sometimes we all see courses on bad weather days.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
www.theplayersgolfclub.com

Glen Rapoport

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 07:35:04 PM »
Question to those with Icelandic Experience:
If you were going to bring a small group of guys to Iceland for golf and etc......when is the best time...how long do you need minimum to see the best there is there and who would you contact to arrange the itinerary?

Glen

would like to do this once the Black Sands project is up and presentable....I am a fan of Smyers work and would hold off until this project is in good shape.  Ideas?  Suggestions?


Edwin Roald

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 08:09:50 PM »
Tom,
Thank you. I'll do my best.

Glen,

I would be glad to help you with the contacts that you need to arrange such a visit. Please do not hesitate to contact me.

The best time is a matter of depends on what makes your heart beat. In the end of June or early July you can play 24 hours, midnight golf. For some, this is an experience. If you want to play the courses in top shape instead, August is the best time.

Black Sand is scheduled to open in 2009.

There is a good variety of golf courses in the country, in interesting landscapes. The population is 300 thousand and there are roughly 60 courses on the island, 11 of them have 18 holes. Others are nine holers scattered along the shoreline and many of them are fun and quirky little things. The length of trip would depend on the time you choose to go, because you can easily get 36 holes in per day during mid-summer.

Jason Hines

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 10:51:08 PM »
Welcome Edwin,

Does Geysir have a website?  Sean, post your pics as soon as you get the chance.  I was in Iceland 5 years ago and look forward to returning.

Jason

Edwin Roald

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2006, 09:53:11 AM »
Thank you Jason,

Their website is www.geysirgolf.is. So far, the text is only in Icelandic and there seems to be a limited number of photos. The only ones I found were through the following link:

http://www.geysirgolf.is/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=2

I have some photos. I'll post some as soon as I get the hang of it.

Sean Walsh

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2006, 12:43:02 PM »
Edwin,

Glad to see you have joined the board.  Also thanks once again for you're wonderful hospitality.  Rachel and I were much appreciative.  

Re posting photos the easiest way I have found to post photos is to open a photobucket account and then paste the url to your post here (as you are creating the post.)

I will probably not be able to post anything photos wise until I find a home base and set up a computer, this will probably be some time around Mid January.

Re Black Sand,

There is absolutely no doubt it is a true links site.  It will possibly be the only links course with Black Sand (I don't know of any others).  It will be very interesting what Smyers and Faldo do with the site.  One end closer to the town of Thorlakshofn has more pronounced dunes. The middle and eastern end of the property contain one large plateau with very little movement.  The falls away from the beach and into a strip of land by the road that contains smaller humps and bumps probably 1-2 metres high.  

It would appear a major part of the design process will be stabilising the dunes that are there and then working out a way of protecting the course from high winds and large amounts of sand being blown over the course.  Edwin may be able to offer more on the challenging condition that are presented in an Icelandic winter.. I'm not certain but I believe there was some need to stabilise the dunues at Barnbougle.  Hopefully someone that knows more about the start of that project will pipe up.

I for one will be watching this project with great interest from afar.

I will also say for the group that Edwin also took me out to his first solo 18 hole design that is in it's preliminary stages.  This is another project I will follow.  It appears to be set on a nice property with enough movement for interest.  There is also a small creek running through the property that Edwin appears to be making plenty of use of.  I'll let him provide any other info he wants in the public sphere.  

Ulrich Mayring

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2006, 04:06:32 PM »
I believe, as far as classic Golf in Iceland is concerned, this is "it":



It is called Vestmannaeyjar and is in the crater of an extinct volcano.



Ulrich
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John_Cullum

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2006, 05:35:29 PM »
It is called Vestmannaeyjar and is in the crater of an extinct volcano.


Hopefully.
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Joe Perches

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2006, 05:56:13 PM »
I believe, as far as classic Golf in Iceland is concerned, this is "it":



It is called Vestmannaeyjar and is in the crater of an extinct volcano.

Not very extinct.  It erupted in 1973 about a half mile away.  I used to play on the cliffside above the course swinging from a 100' rope stealing eggs from birds nests when I was a kid.

http://www.eyjar.is/eyjar/eruption.html

Jason Hines

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2006, 10:02:31 AM »
Edwin,

I noticed that the old nine at Keilir played a little faster than the new and the Oddfellows course was similar with respect to grasses and green speeds.  What are the types of grasses are prevalent in the new courses in Iceland?  Do speeds and grass varieties vary in different parts of the country?  They seemed to be slower compared to a lot of other countries, is that because of climate?  Or are there different green speeds throughout the country?  (I have only played two courses)

J.

Edwin Roald

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2006, 01:21:51 PM »
Jason,

I can not be certain why you experienced this during your visit. However, I am not sure what parts of the Keilir course you are referring to. Do you mean greens only? What time of year were you there?

Almost all new green plantings here use the same mix:

Festuca rubra var. com, & trich. 90%
Agrostis capillaris 10%

Speeds generally do not vary greatly. The greens tend to be the fastest in and near Reykjavik, the capital, because this is by far the biggest market so the budgets are higher. When the growing season peaks, the greens will play at around 8 Stimp, a little higher in some competitions. They can go higher, but personally I feel that this is quite comfortable and keeps many of the older greens with more pitch playable. While the players are not demanding speeds near 10, I think the supers will try to keep the speeds on the low side and go for turf health.

Some of the older courses with push-up greens, poa dominated, will play quite fast after mid season. In this case, the pitch on the greens is the limiting factor. Examples of this include most of the greens at Reykjavik GC (Old) and Akureyri Golf Club.

Both courses you are referring to have a slight difference in the greens from one nine hole loop to the other. The old nine at Keilir have soil greens. The new nine (the lava course) was built in the mid 90's and the greens there were built with a sand/peat mix of 80/20 percent, close to what the USGA spec says.

The back nine at the Oddfellows course is a few years older than the front. On the older nine, they transplanted native turf that was rich in bentgrasses and used it on the greens. The new nine is similar to the lava nine at Keilir in terms of greens construction and seed.

As an architect, I will of course spec what I know will work, so I more or less go for the above mix. It has been used now for just over ten years and has contributed to enormous improvements in turfgrass management in Iceland.

Unfortunately, turfgrass research is next to paralized in the country. There is definately need for it, especially because of the relatively cool summers. A great many species and varieties are simply ruled out because they will not kick in in these low temperatures. July is the warmest month with an average of 11 degrees Celcius. A decent summer’s day is 15 degrees, rising to just above 20 on the best ones. In the winter, temperatures fluctuate rapidly, so there is repeated freezing and thawing. This is the main threat.

Most of the supers get their education and training from Scotland, and the increase in the number of trained greenkeepers is one other major factor contributing to these improvements. Still, the Scottish winter is quite different from the Icelandic winter. I would therefore like to see the Icelandic supers show more interest in what is being done in parts of the U.S. I understand that winters in the U.S. Mid-Atlantic Region can also have major and rapid temperature swings. Please correct me if I’m wrong. If right, hearing from professionals in this region would be very interesting and helpful.

Jason Hines

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Re:Icelandic Info Anyone?
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2006, 03:52:25 PM »
Thanks Edwin, I was referring to the green speed.  I found the grasses and greens fascinating.  They were extremely slow compared to what I was used to which made them difficult for me, but still lots of fun.

Please keep us posted as to whats going on in Iceland (especially the photos), I do plan to return some day.

J.