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JohnV

Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« on: September 23, 2006, 10:17:56 PM »
While thinking about Forest Highlands' Canyon Course today, I realized that the pars of the first 17 holes form a palindrome  (reads the same backwards and forwards).

4-4-5-3-5-3-4-3-4-3-4-3-5-3-5-4-4

I can't think of another course that has that long a stretch and certainly can't think of any course where all 18 holes do.  Are there any that you can think of?

Garland Bayley

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2006, 10:36:11 PM »
John,

You think too much.

Is that why Sequent Computers was such a success? ;)
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Adam Clayman

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2006, 10:41:05 PM »
A man a plan a canal panama

Fascinating! John

Coincidence or planned?

I'll go with the former.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Tyler Kearns

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 11:05:57 PM »
John,

The most famous example is the back nine at Augusta National; 443 545 344

TK

ForkaB

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 08:22:28 AM »
The Peter Hay course at Pebble beach is 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3.

TEPaul

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 08:50:35 AM »
Can anyone think of a so-called championship designed golf course that does not have a par 4 in the last four holes? This isn't just an idle question---I do know of one.

I have little doubt that in this case it was simply a function of the realities of routing----something that in my opinion very few have a real understanding of. In other words, in the mind of the architect it would be a matter of "Where am I with variety and sequence of par holes and how much land do I have left?"

In my opinion, this was one of the primary dilemmas that George Crump saddled himself with.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2006, 08:56:01 AM by TEPaul »

Tom_Doak

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 09:16:30 AM »
Tom:

I doubt it's the one you are thinking of, but Nicklaus' Desert Highlands finishes 3-3-5-5.

TEPaul

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2006, 09:43:43 AM »
TomD:

No it wasn't but interesting one nonetheless. The one I'm thinking of goes 3-5-5-3 which is probably a bit odder than Desert Highlands. I suppose the oddest of all might be 5-5-3-3.

wsmorrison

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2006, 10:15:04 AM »
Tom Paul,

Ooh, ooh!  I know!  I know!

JohnV

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 02:03:34 PM »
John,

You think too much.

Is that why Sequent Computers was such a success? ;)


Garland, it was interesting, in that it kept growing on me.  First there were the 6 par 3s in an 11 hole stretch, but none back to back.  Then I realized that those 11 made a palindrome.  From there I kept adding pairs until I realized it was 17 holes.  For those who don't know, 18 is a par 5.

Tom, I know the one you are talking about.  I believe the Mid-Am was played there a few years ago also.

TEPaul

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2006, 05:17:40 PM »
JohnV:

Well, then, don't hesitate to say what it is. If you get it right you may get your pick between a round at PVGC or a date with Heidi Klum.

Jim Sweeney

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2006, 08:13:43 PM »
I think Heidi can safely make other plans.....
"Hope and fear, hope and Fear, that's what people see when they play golf. Not me. I only see happiness."

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Moe Norman

Ian Andrew

Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2006, 08:48:49 PM »
John,

The Old Course at St. Andrew's is
4-4-4-4-5-4-4-3-4   4-3-4-4-5-4-4-4-4

I'm sure there are more.

David Stamm

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2006, 08:59:44 PM »
Rich, that'll teach me to read responses while drinking a beverage. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll have to clean up said beverage from my desk since I sprayed it everywhere! Hilarious!
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Bill Gayne

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Re:Madam Im Adam (not Clayman)
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2006, 09:02:22 PM »
The Augusta National front nine:

4 5 4 3 4 3 4 5 4

and the back nine:

4 4 3 5 4 5 3 4 4

I'm sure this can be explained with fractals, solving for pi, and arts and crafts.