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Chris Kane

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How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« on: September 21, 2006, 07:14:48 AM »
After weeks of anticipation, I've finally obtained my Yearly Ticket for the St Andrews links courses - I have unlimited access to all six courses here.

What is the best way to choose what courses I play?  I've had two very different opinions from ex-ticket holders recently - on the way to Panmure Greg Ramsay suggested that I shouldn't ignore the other courses, and play the New, Eden and Jubilee as much as I play the Old.

On the other hand, Darren Kilfara told me he'd do it differently given his time again - playing around 70% of his golf on the Old and dividing the other rounds between the New, Eden and Jubilee.

If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

Allan Hutton

Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2006, 08:55:40 AM »
Are you there for one year only?

I was at the university for the full 4 years, so I didn't feel the need to focus on the old.  There is plenty of time to play all the courses.

I tended to play the Old in the winter months and the New, Jubilee, Eden...and Strathtyrum  :o during the summer.  I just hate slow rounds and avoiding the Old in the summer was the best way to ensure a decent pace of play.

If pace was not an issue, I guess I'd go for 50% Old, then the others.  The Old has so many more combinations of play than the other courses that it requires more time.

John Kavanaugh

Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2006, 09:04:35 AM »
I'd keep a daily diary and see if something interesting happens and spin a book out of the experience....

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2006, 09:20:18 AM »
I'd keep a daily diary and see if something interesting happens and spin a book out of the experience....

Could be trendy blog type - do it on here ;)
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John Kavanaugh

Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2006, 09:28:37 AM »
How about a YouTube video diary..

RJ_Daley

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 10:06:13 AM »
Jk, you raise an interesting point.  I also wondered on a thread recently about UTube.  As far as I know, we only had one thread with an imbedded video of a golf shot that Evan Fleisher made at Stone Eagle.  

I have a digital video, but haven't installed nor do I understand how you post a UTube video.  I guess it is yet another thing that I'll have to learn.  

But, I think UTube videos of golf holes and some of the guys at the gatherings (like the Dixie Cup) might be a really cool thing to post as an alternative to the pictures that we always post. I wish I had Charlie Rymer telling us how GTand UGA play 20 questions... ;) ;D
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RJ_Daley

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2006, 10:07:15 AM »
BTW John, I was disappointed you didn't turn out to be Lonely Girl 99 on UTube... :P ;D
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Darren_Kilfara

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2006, 10:17:55 AM »
Congratulations, Chris! Just to get us back on topic (we were headed for a new record on how quickly a GCA thread can spin out of control), and to be a bit more specific, I think you should:

--Play the Strathtyrum and Balgove courses exactly once apiece.
--Play the Jubilee no more than a couple of times.
--Play the Eden and New whenever you simply want to play golf without the hassle of getting an Old Course game, or if you ever want a change of pace from the Old.
--At all other times, play the Old. You'll be glad you did.

To sum up, if you're thinking about playing the Old Course, play it. Only if you really want something different should you go for it. If I had 100 rounds to play in St. Andrews, I would aim to do something like:

Old - 75
New - 12
Eden - 8
Jubilee - 3
Strathtyrum - 1
Balgove - 1

(If you get tired of the Old Course queue - perfectly plausible - pinch extra rounds from it on the New and Eden.)

Cheers,
Darren

Lou_Duran

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 11:39:13 AM »
I am curious, how does one go about getting an annual pass?  What are the costs?  How do you sign up to play?  Are there passes for less than a full year?  

ed_getka

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 12:08:49 PM »
Chris,
   I would take Darren's advice. I would play TOC whenever it wasn't a hassle and then play Eden and New during busy TOC times. Balgove is the beginner course, so I can't imagine there is much of a reason to see that.

Lou,
   You have to be living in town to be able to obtain the pass as I understand it. They do have a type of pass that includes all the courses besides TOC that is a very good value when one is in the area for a week.
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Lou_Duran

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2006, 12:34:39 PM »
Ed,

In two or three years, I hope to spend six months or more in the UK.  I enjoyed St. Andrews and Edinburgh during a brief visit a few years back, and both seemed to be great places to set up base for extended periods of time.

Darren_Kilfara

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2006, 02:38:25 PM »
Ed/Lou,

Actually, in theory, to get a Links Trust season ticket you don't have to be a local. There's one rate for people living in St. Andrews, there's a higher one for non-St. Andrews residents of Fife, and there's a third which anyone can get. (I think the price scale is something like £115/£230/£650 - just guessing. Chris showed me the exact price list the other day.) There are also categories for members of golf clubs in St. Andrews and various other folks.

Having said this, there's a waiting list for all passes except for locals. And to be classified as a "local", you have to jump through a great many hoops (as Chris has found out). I was lucky - as a student at the University, all I had to do was wait to get my student ID and use it as my credentials. Chris, on the other hand, has had to go so far as actually get on the local electoral roll. Point being, don't expect to stay in St. Andrews for a few months, claim that you're a local and get a cheap golf pass - ain't gonna happen...

Cheers,
Darren

Mike Nuzzo

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2006, 02:46:46 PM »
Isn't KingsBarns part of the ticket?
When is 7 open?

I'd play the old 5 times as much as the new.
There is a really cool green on the Jubilee - near the 17th I recall.

Cheers
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Eric Franzen

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2006, 02:50:10 PM »
No, Kingsbarns is not operated by the Links Trust.


Marty Bonnar

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2006, 02:53:43 PM »
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Chris Kane

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2006, 06:50:07 PM »
Eric, holders of residential Yearly Tickets pay £15 at Kingsbarns.

Lou, assuming you're an American citizen, I'm sorry to say that to my understanding you're not eligible for a residential ticket, as you won't be considered a "permanent resident".  I'm considered a permanent resident (even though I'm only here until June) because I hold a British passport.  The waiting list is currently at 4+ years for an Ordinary ticket (no residential restrictions), which requires membership of the New or St Andrews Golf Clubs (someone told me the other day that they might have closed the books altogether).  Your best bet is to join the R&A!

The residential pass is £116 (goes until April 1, I'll have to renew then), clubs members who are residents of north-east Fife pay £232, and club members resident elsewhere pay £348.  The Open ticket is £612 (no club membership or residence required), but I imagine the waiting list for that one is long closed.

Aaron Katz

Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2006, 06:59:46 PM »
Okay, Chris.  So what you're telling me is that all I need to do to find eternal happiness (a) quite my job as a lawyer, (b) convince my wife to move to Fife with me, (c) either become a graduate student or tend bar at a local pub, (d) renounce my American citizenship, and (e) find some way to procure a British passport.

Sounds worth the effort.

Chris Kane

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2006, 07:06:44 PM »
Aaron, it would be much easier to join the R&A, which gives you full playing rights!

Who would have thought that my Dad spending the first twelve months of his life in England would be so beneficial to me in 2006?!?!

How about a YouTube video diary..

That could be a touch embarrassing...

George Pazin

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2006, 07:11:02 PM »
Call me a sentimental old sap, but this thread warms my heart.

Chris, I expect to be reading at least a My Home Course piece shortly.

 :)
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Chris Kane

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2006, 09:12:49 PM »
George, that would be, without question, the toughest "My Home Course" anyone would ever have to write!

I have Monday and Tuesday off work - two rounds on the Old and a game on the New sounds logical.

Doug Siebert

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2006, 11:50:22 PM »
Can you obtain student status at the U of St. Andrews by taking just one class or do you need to take a full schedule?  You wouldn't even need to attend, once you get your ID and get the Links Pass, you can blow off class -- though it would probably be best to attend and keep in good standing in case you want to do it again down the road!

Or perhaps it is better to arrive in town, visit pubs popular with students, ask around until you find a student who looks remotely like you on the tiny photo IDs who isn't a golfer, and ask him how many pints you have to buy him for him to "lose" his ID and need to get a new one the next morning.

I suppose you'd have to act quickly on the latter plan, once this idea gets around GCA's 1500 + the unknown number of Guest lurkers, the University will need to start adding fingerprints to the IDs to prevent this sort of thing ;D
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2006, 11:54:52 PM »
Chris, you shall figure it out yourself in about 15 rounds or so. You will be one of the experts if you play 100 rounds there over the next year. Your personal favorites will make themself very clear to you. however if you are sillt enough to listen to a man who is still looking for his 20th round at TOC then 70% TOC, 14% New 5% Jubalie, 5% Eden, 5% down the road, Rest 1%.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2006, 12:01:11 AM by Tiger_Bernhardt »

Sean Walsh

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2006, 12:27:10 AM »
The waiting list is closed for the North East Fife Residents.

I believe the only option left for most is to live in St Andrews, get on the electoral roll(or attend Uni).

I'm also pretty sure that as a Commonwealth Resident and holding the Visa I will be that I can get on the electoral roll.  Fingers crossed that by April 1 at the latest I will be holding one of these prized passes in my hot little hand.

Chris,

What are the conditions for access to TOC.  I think the other courses are pretty much walk up and play, not sure on TOC.

Also good to hear of the cheap access to KB.


Shane Gurnett

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2006, 01:52:03 AM »
If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

Chris, sell it on ebay.  ;)

Chris Kane

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Re:How to best utilise a Links Ticket?
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2006, 06:02:33 AM »
Sean, locals access TOC in the same way as visitors do, except that they show their Yearly Ticket to the starter rather than pay a green fee.  Additionally, there are two hours of tee times reserved for residents, students, NEF residents and R&A members.

The other courses are walk up, although there are a few times each day which can be booked online in advance.