Would it be worthwhile for Ran to profile a well-known golf course that fails the test of architectural brilliance? Would it be helpful--a learning experience for us novices--to have him assess how a golf course on a good piece of land didn't work and why it didn't work?

If so, which course would you nominate? Please bear in mind that I want him to choose a course whose shortcomings would be instructive. I don't want a bitch session.

In Michigan, a good choice might be Bay Harbor, a course I like a good deal but perhaps could've been better.

...to have him assess how a golf course on a good piece of land didn't work and why it didn't work?

How about Doonbeg or Old Head?

I vote for for Lido.
I'd love to hear his opinion regarding 13-18.
I consider that closing stretch to be about as much fun as any that I've played anywhere.

Lido is a true prize muni. . .
I miss it more and more all the time.

-Ted

I'd rather that Ran mop up all the great courses that he hasn't profiled yet.

There are already a lot of relative clunkers in his list, but as John says, he's too nice a guy to say anything instructively negative.

I want that book,and this is a fun challenge.  So far, all I've found is this, from the Yale profile:


Yale remains to this day a colossus of a design, even if it is not maintained and presented in the manner in which it deserves.

Leader in the clubhouse?

I want that book,and this is a fun challenge.  So far, all I've found is this, from the Yale profile:


Yale remains to this day a colossus of a design, even if it is not maintained and presented in the manner in which it deserves.

Leader in the clubhouse?

I'll make it easy and just link the whole profile on Augusta National. http://www.golfclubatlas.com/augusta000150.html

Game, set and match!

Eric - correct - you win - I skimmed over that, didn't read close enough.  Can I borrow the book some time?

JK - hey, all you asked for is the "most negative."  You didn't say it had to actually BE negative.

Huck,

I am sorry but that ANGC review has me troubled...that Ran said "but fans of Alister MacKenzie would be better served to look elsewhere for a game."  has me questioning the validity of this site....and it only took me until lunch today.


    

JK - so what took you so long?

Eric - I revised my post.

However, what has been lost with time at Broadmoor are Ross's corridors of play, which have been severely compromised underneath hundreds upon hundreds of hardwood trees. The player on numerous occasions can be in a bunker off the tee and have no shot but to chip out as directly between him and the flag are one or more trees.

Quote from: John Kavanaugh on June 30, 2006, 01:03:49 PM

I will gladly send a copy of Robert Bain's Clans & Tartans of Scotland to the person who can come up with the most negative thing Ran has ever said about a course profiled on this site.(In the actual review of course)

John,

Take your pick from Ran's Bandon Dunes review...

"Will the first course at Bandon Dunes stand up to the scrutiny in the way that Pebble Beach and Cypress Point have for decades? No."

"Bandon's design weakness lies in the way the bunkers and surrounds often aren't fully and compellingly integrated together."

"...the authors must question the clumsy routing."

"Regardless, Kidd continues to refine Bandon Dunes (ironically, perhaps a sign that it wasn't as good as everyone initially thought)."


-Robert

We have a new leader...Ran towing the party line..gotta love it.

Hiawatha Landing in Apalachin, NY

Great unsung course.  After that, Royal New Kent.  They are both excellent courses with alot to teach us, yet nobody has written about them in depth.

Huck,

I think it is tow considering he pulls most of us alone with him.  Come on...You can surely find one more so I can send you this book.  It is in excellent condition but sadly is a 1968 reprint.

Good point.  Tow it is.

And man I am searching but this ain't easy!  I can't imagine any surpassing the bastion of negativity found in the Augusta review, which has me so down I'm looking for a dog to kick.