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Brent Hutto

Random Thoughts from England
« on: June 20, 2006, 05:07:35 AM »
On my first trip to the UK, in fact my first trip out of the US, I've now played both courses at Walton Heath (my introduction to Heathlands golf) and two rounds at Littlestone (my introduction to Links golf). I've also walked around Princes and Royal St. George's. I only have a couple minutes but here's a few random thoughts...

I really liked the courses at Walton Heath. The back nine of the Old course is outstanding but the entire eighteen is a case of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Very few standout shots or holes on the front nine there. Conversely, I found the New course more enjoyable start to finish. There's more interest around the greens (at least for my game) and the better holes are spread throughout the eighteen. However, the New's routing is a bit fragmented walking-wise.

Heather is the damndest hazard I've ever seen. Bunkers with steep heather faces are...difficult. There you go, my attempt at dryly humerous English understatement.

The clubhouse and staff at Walton Heath are wonderful, the showers are to die for (wish I'd taken some clean clothes so I could take advantage like Tony M. did). The clubhouse carvery is truly great, including the charming South African staffers.

On to Littlestone. Within 15 minutes of being on the property I knew why some of you people routinely cross oceans to play links golf. It is just a happy place. Like having a round of golf and a day at the beach simultaneously.

Actually, I was striking my tee shot within 7-8 minutes of driving into the gate (due to a navigational snafu on my part). Littlestone is the kind of "all golf, only golf" place where that is practical. Wouldn't work that way at Walton Heath or for that matter my home club. You tee off right by the clubhouse window within arm's reach of the parked cars. My kind of place.

It was an ideal day. Sunshine, nearly calm conditions first time around and then a meaningful breeze for the afternoon round so I've now had a full understanding of the closing stretch into the prevailing wind.

Why didn't someone tell me that Littlestone has as fine a set of one-shot holes as anywhere I've seen? Excellent, solid but quite playable holes. All four directions of the compass, no drop-shot Par 3's. What's not to love?

The members of Littlestone are super-friendly even when a visitor spends too much time in the rough leading to slightly (very slightly) longer than three hours to play. Sorry about that, Craig. I love a club that thinks the game is meant to be played at a steady clip and not dawdled over.

Later I'll post some comments from the Amateur competition at Sandwich and Princes. For now I'll just say that Royal St. George's is a pretty confounding place for even very good players with a 15-20mph SW breeze. I'm not sure what'll happen tomorrow when the wind is supposed to blow in earnest.

ForkaB

Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 05:21:27 AM »

Like having a round of golf and a day at the beach simultaneously.


Brent

That line is sublime.  Keep posting, and enjoy!

Rich

Dan Boerger

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 07:34:38 AM »
Brent - Nice notes. I fully agree with you about the confusing routing at Walton Heath New as well as the fact that I find the New course slightly more enjoyable than the Old course start to finish. (And I'm really splitting hairs here since they are both really terrific courses IMO.) Like you, I also found the staff a delight. - Dan
"Man should practice moderation in all things, including moderation."  Mark Twain

James Edwards

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 09:56:22 AM »
Brent,

Hope your friends son is doing well in the Amateur following his solid opener!

Littlestone has always been a wonderful experience, especially when you need to finish par par par to qualify for the British Open  ;D

Im hoping to make it down to see you later this week as tonight is Football night (CMON ENGLAND)!
@EDI__ADI

Bill_McBride

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 06:28:30 PM »
Brent, so glad you are getting to experience some links golf in the old country.  It really is special fun, and Littlestone really sounds like a wonderful time.  I'm jealous...... :-\ ;)

David_Tepper

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 08:52:54 PM »
Brent -

Glad to read you are enjoying your first foray of golf in the British Isles. Between Walton Heath and the links on the Kentish Coast, you are getting to see some of the finest inland and seaside golf on offer there. To make your trip complete, I do hope you get to encounter at least some gorse while you are there.

DT

Brent Hutto

Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2006, 12:01:37 PM »
Just a minute to add another thought or two. The tenth at Royal Cinque Ports is strategic as hell. Two equally "good" tee shots, one fifteen yards right of the other, and two equally well struck 7-irons result in either a ball dead in the weeds over the green or a downhill eight foot putt for birdie (which doesn't break BTW).

The sixth at Deal is a world-class short two-shot hole. Stay left off the tee.

The one-shot holes at RCP aren't a patch on the set at Littlestone but then few courses have Par 3's like Littlestone. The ones at Deal are more "fair" when the wind blows if that matters to you.

I think Royal Cinque Ports plays easiest when the breeze is from the west side of the prevailing southwest wind. As it moves around to the south or southeast, not as easy.

BCrosby

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2006, 01:08:35 PM »
Keep the posts coming Brent. Delightful.

Which nines at Princes are they playing? How do the scores compare with those at Sandwich?

Bob

ed_getka

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2006, 07:46:25 PM »

Like having a round of golf and a day at the beach simultaneously.


I concur with Rich, that line is Darwinian. Have a great trip and post when you can.

Brent

That line is sublime.  Keep posting, and enjoy!

Rich
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Brent Hutto

Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 07:19:43 PM »
I just arrived home from London and boy are my wings tired...

To answer Bob's question, on the first day the CSS was 77 for Royal St. George's and 75 for Prince's. That was in a breeze of about 10mph early in the day gradually getting up to 15-18mph in the afternoon. Don't know what the CSS was on the second day when the wind was 18-gusting-25 or so for most of the day. I do know that the players were expecting Prince's to be "the easy course" and after a round on each they no longer thought so. Especially if a significant wind gets across-ways on a few holes the rough is a ball eater and approach shots aren't nearly as simple as they look (but the greens are easier to read probably).

I've broken the code of GCA but unfortunately I did not take pictures at Walton Heath, Deal or Huntercombe. I did get a few of Royal St. George's and Prince's as well as a good many photos from the incredible vistas at Walmer and Kingsdown. I'll have to download the camera tomorrow and see how they turned out, the wind was about 30mph up on the cliffss at Walmer and I fear most will be "shaky-cam" quality.

Another random thought. I'm not English and have no great predisposition to find the sight of their flag stirring. I must say, though, that as you wander the dunescape of Royal St. George's it is always a rush to search the horizon and locate St. George's Cross flying on the flagpole in front of the clubhouse. During Saturday's final round there was no wind but during the stroke-play and practice rounds earlier the flag was always strikingly displayed. Hearing the wind in the rough, seeing the flag in the breeze and hearing the "Dee-Daa" sound of the train approaching or departing the station brings back memories of watching Opens on television.

I may start another thread on Huntercombe. I'll just say this. Everybody warned me about the trees. Screw the trees, the only two times I hit it there the ball was playable. The rough on the other hand is brutal. I've never had rough of moderate length extract such penalties for missing a fairway or missing a green. I played awfully darned well by my standards and missed shooting my handicap by a half-dozen shots even after playing the first four holes in one over par (off a USGA 19.8 index). Hitting a green from 60 yards with a lob wedge out of the rough just a yard off the fairway was far from a sure thing and the ball had a damnable habit of settling into cuppy lies in the rough and being almost unplayable. I will say the greens are varied and wonderful. More later, sleep now.

BCrosby

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 08:45:31 AM »
Brent -

Bringing this forward. Please continue. Get out of bed and start typing.

Bob

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Random Thoughts from England
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 09:38:03 AM »


Brent I take it your little photo with you in a jacket is from sunny California. ;D  What great weather you brought us. Sunshine, a little wind, and warm enought for a man to get his shorts out.

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