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Matt MacIver

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Toms on ANCC rules
« on: April 13, 2006, 02:58:06 PM »
"In a way, it {too many rules} makes it different, and it makes it special and it makes it unique," Toms said. "But then again, it's still a golf tournament. It's the players that make that tournament. It's Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods battling down the stretch that makes that event successful on television around the world. It's not how green the grass is on the No. 1 fairway."

David Toms, on Augusta having too many rules.  Here's the full article.  

http://www.pga.com/news/majors/themasters/2006/toms041106.cfm

So the Masters is supposed to be about the PLAYERS?  The majority of the stories leading up to the tourney were on the course changes.  

As the only Major hosted at the same course each year, I'm sure Hootie et al love the way they remain able to call ALL the shots.  
« Last Edit: April 13, 2006, 03:00:31 PM by Matt MacIver »

Mike Hendren

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2006, 03:05:21 PM »
Somebody call a waaahmbulance!

I'm a flawed person and and constantly battle to give my fellow flawed brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt.  Something about the log in my own eye comes to mind.  

BUT, an inflated opinion of oneself is the flaw I find most unflattering.  

Hey David, EVERYBODY's important.  Also, need I remind you:  it's an invitational.

Mike

Hey Hootie, give his spot next year to Dave Ober.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2006, 03:07:13 PM by Bogey_Hendren »
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2006, 03:33:53 PM »

David Toms, on Augusta having too many rules.  Here's the full article.  


I don't think Toms was implying that he was the most important person around during Masters week, but that there is no joy in mudville.

This pervasive atmosphere of wondering which rule you might have just broken is as real to the Members as the touring pro.
A member gets out of his car, walks to the locker room to get his jacket and woe and betide him if he is tardy in so doing. Questions will be asked about its absence.
 
As most members bring in their own pals he is responsible for their demeanor, as such, he is on tenterhooks for the whole time he is there that an expletive might be considered  grounds for censure.

When Hootie is around, a Ladies Temperence Society Meeting has more gusto than some of the foursomes playing there.

Bob






PThomas

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2006, 03:41:15 PM »

David Toms, on Augusta having too many rules.  Here's the full article.  


 
As most members bring in their own pals he is responsible for their demeanor, as such, he is on tenterhooks for the whole time he is there that an expletive might be considered  grounds for censure.


so I wonder if Tiger doesn't drop any F-bombs there???

199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Phil Benedict

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 04:02:39 PM »
I just love this story.  One of the most pampered subsets of humanity, PGA tour players, coming under the supervision of the most heavy-handed controlling institution in America, Augusta National.

Is there any other private organization in the world with control over a world-class event?  I can't think of one.  Gives them so much power, which they obviously crave.  

JESII

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2006, 04:06:50 PM »
Who runs Wimbledon?

Jason Mandel

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2006, 04:07:50 PM »
Bob,

If members are treated as you imply, would you want to be a member at such a place?  I know the place is godly, but if it is as you describe, would you want to pay dues to be subjected to this?

It's a question I'd love to have to answer when it came time, but right now its just hypothetical obviously.

Jason
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john_stiles

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2006, 04:14:59 PM »
First of all, I have only been a patron.

But the nuisances noted by Toms do not seem very difficult to overcome.

Check in at the gate.
You only get one parking pass.
No cell phones.
No swing coach in the fairway.

In my Masters toonamint and practice round visits, I do not remember seeing any frowns before a round began.  I guess for Toms it is just a little too different from the  treatment at other venues.

I say give this David Ober kid a chance to play, and he'll report directly to this site and we'll see how difficult this treatment is.

Phil Benedict

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2006, 04:17:14 PM »
JES,

I think Wimbledon is private but the championships are run by the national tennis association.  I could be wrong about this but I don't think the club controls the event in the same way Augusta controls the Masters.

ChasLawler

Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2006, 04:19:54 PM »
Jason,
While I don't know the exact figures, I have heard that the dues at ANGC are remarkably low. Don't feel sorry for any of these guys.



JESII

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2006, 04:26:15 PM »
JES,

I think Wimbledon is private but the championships are run by the national tennis association.  I could be wrong about this but I don't think the club controls the event in the same way Augusta controls the Masters.

That makes sense Phil, thanks.

SL_Solow

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2006, 04:55:13 PM »
Wimbledon is run by the All England Club

Phil Benedict

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 04:58:15 PM »
Wimbledon is run by the All England Club

And this is a separate entity from Wimbledon?

JLahrman

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2006, 05:22:45 PM »
While I'm sure Toms might be able to make a point or two here, man does this sounds like a lot of whinging.

The golfers do provide the entertainment and are the show.  But when we know these guys get all the food and drink they want every tournament, get all sorts of fun diversions if they choose to participate, have their wives and kids taken care of, get any other whim they have addressed, etc. etc. etc., Toms' comments ring pretty hollow.  Augusta doesn't babysit your kids all week.  I'll do it for a low low fee if he'd like to focus on the tournament.

tonyt

Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2006, 05:24:35 PM »
The All England Club don't have the decision making power of Augusta National, since so much more of the logistics are dictated by the ATP Tour, WTA Tour and their bodies. The event hosts have a smaller paddock and narrower framework to roam in their own way.

I'm with Mr Stiles. I cannot for one second believe that having to follow the tasks outlined are some kind of imposition. Most overseas tours (like ours here in Australia) have some of these rules week in week out for players.

And Bogey hits the jackport with the reminder that it is an invitational. If you are forced to my place, bad luck. But if I invite you for a party each year and you decide to come, don't whine about the dip.

Craig Sweet

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2006, 05:25:53 PM »
Toms didn't say he felt like a "spaz" whenever he's at Augusta or anything did he?
Project 2025....All bow down to our new authoritarian government.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2006, 12:29:26 AM »
Bob,

If members are treated as you imply, would you want to be a member at such a place?  I know the place is godly, but if it is as you describe, would you want to pay dues to be subjected to this?

It's a question I'd love to have to answer when it came time, but right now its just hypothetical obviously.

Jason

Jason,

At my age and having been around the block I could not give a hoot about being a member there. My idea of the perfect club is to be with good friends, with two courses to choose from, alongside a couple of miles of the Pacfic Ocean somewhere on the Monterey Peninsula. S'funny, I'm there.

A good friend of mine here in Pebble has as his California license plate, "TLMITW", standing for the luckiest man in the world, I'm second in line.

Jim Nugent

Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2006, 06:04:22 AM »
I enjoyed reading Bob Huntley's first post, about how the law goes at ANGC.  A certain irony, when America's movers and shakers must  tiptoe on eggshells around their own club.  

Brad Klein

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2006, 08:27:17 AM »
Gotta go with JAL on this one. Toms comes off as poutty, whiny and a bit pathetic. Imagine someone who has to wait on lines, subject himself to the scrutiny of others, and has to be mindful of what he says and how he acts. This is a problem in America and the world in 2006? What would this guy do if he actually had to work for a living or worry about his family's safety? You dont have to side with ANGC on this one to see that Toms comes off as simply spoiled.

jeffwarne

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2006, 08:40:43 AM »
Isn't there an event around the same week in Hattiesburg that Toms could play in that  doesn't have such strict ;D  rules?

I guess he hasn't flown commercial lately

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Andy Scanlon

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2006, 09:12:28 AM »
Perhaps DT should take a stand against these rules and decline his invitation to play in next year's Masters?  By doing this, I am sure he could start a grass roots movement among the players to end the injustices that must be endured by the players during the Masters.
All architects will be a lot more comfortable when the powers that be in golf finally solve the ball problem. If the distance to be gotten with the ball continues to increase, it will be necessary to go to 7,500 and even 8000 yard courses.  
- William Flynn, golf architect, 1927

Craig Sweet

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2006, 09:30:12 AM »
I believe the tour players were asked "what would you change about the Masters".....a rather useless question considering the pro's have no say about what will "change" at the Masters.

So I can't blame Tom's for saying he would change the all the rules.

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

But in this world of politically correctness.....he is labeled a whinner?  
Project 2025....All bow down to our new authoritarian government.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2006, 12:09:16 PM »
I believe the tour players were asked "what would you change about the Masters".....a rather useless question considering the pro's have no say about what will "change" at the Masters.

So I can't blame Tom's for saying he would change the all the rules.

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

But in this world of politically correctness.....he is labeled a whinner?  

Craig,

A perfect riposte.

Bob

Mark Bourgeois

Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2006, 01:28:28 PM »
Perhaps Toms can ask Crenshaw how things were when Roberts ran the show:
Crenshaw learned quickly that Roberts was a man whose direction should be followed.

''When I first met him that year, he said, 'Ben, we're mighty happy to have you here. You've been playing some great golf in Texas. By the way, you know we have a barbershop here.' "

Crenshaw laughed, then he pointed to where the barbershop used to be. That day 34 years ago, he had his long hair trimmed back, out of respect for Roberts and a tournament he has never missed since he first was invited.

tonyt

Re:Toms on ANCC rules
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2006, 06:04:11 PM »
I believe the tour players were asked "what would you change about the Masters".....a rather useless question considering the pro's have no say about what will "change" at the Masters.

So I can't blame Tom's for saying he would change the all the rules.

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

But in this world of politically correctness.....he is labeled a whinner?  

Craig,

I wasn't setting up Toms because he answered the question. I believe I made my judgements due to how Toms' answer revealed what he thought in general.