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Jim Nugent

How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« on: April 09, 2006, 02:48:23 AM »
So far a bit differently than some predicted.  Here are stats for the holes they changed.  The 2006 column shows the difficulty rank to par this year.  The all-time column shows where the hole ranks in all Masters.   This obviously suffers from sample size -- Sunday night should reveal a lot more, weather permitting -- but begins to show what is going on.

I put the average scores in parentheses.  They don't seem as significant to me: they depend so much on conditions.  Also, this year only has one decimal place.  

Hole      2006 rank   All-time rank
1             5  (4.3)            7  (4.23)

4             8  (3.2)            3  (3.29)

7             6  (4.3)           13  (4.14)

11           1  (4.5)            4  (4.28)

14         10 (4.2)             8  (4.19)
   
17           4  (4.3)           10  (4.16)

Four of the holes got harder, relative to the rest of the course.  Two got easier, including number 4.  Surprises me.  Did they use a way upfront tee on that hole?  That would bias the scores and ranking downward.  

As many expected, 7 made the biggest move so far.  Followed by number 17.   Number 11 has made the biggest move stroke-wise, while also becoming the toughest hole on the course so far this year.  

Also so far this year the changes have not handed the tournament only to long hitters.  The first three places are held by short to medium length hitters.  Over half the top 22 are short hitters.

The par 5's are playing easiest this year to par.  Same as in the all-time stats.  Each one is averaging under par.  The only holes on the course that is true of.  

12, historically the 2nd hardest hole, has gotten bumped back to 7th place this year.  

Exciting to see how things play out on Sunday.

    

Eric Franzen

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2006, 10:08:48 AM »
Interesting figures.

Before I saw these I would have guessed on a higher scoring average for the 4th hole. Especially yesterday's coverage showed a lot of players struggling there.

A_Clay_Man

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 10:40:09 AM »
Jim, Great work. Do you compile those stats yourself?

While reading your post I couldn't help but sense that these stats have little to do with the enjoyment of golf, and focus primarily on difficulty. Yet, another duece was made on 11.

I suppose that is the biggest difference between the tournament or yesteryear and today. It wasn't ALL about how difficult. It was about how difficult it was from certain angles and areas versus others. Now it's been dictated to mostly from all one area, one angle.

Garland Bayley

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2006, 11:15:38 AM »
Wouldn't a more revealing stat be to compare against the last 10 years averages? If Hootie succeeds at what he is trying to do, the scoring averages should simply be returning to the all time averages that you posted.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jim Nugent

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2006, 11:26:23 AM »
Adam, yes I compiled them.  

Garland, good idea, but these are the only numbers I found.  Plus I don't want to take the time to do this for ten years, even if I did have the raw data.  

When the tournament is over, I'll give the updated version.  

ed_getka

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2006, 11:51:31 AM »
Thanks for putting that together. I was suprised to see #4 not make a big jump in difficulty. It is shaping up to be a great finish if at least a couple of guys step up.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2006, 12:11:15 PM »
Jim Nugent,

I think the problem in the statistical presetation is that it assumes that the holes played to their longest yardages this year.

What surprised me is where # 17 stood on the all time list.
Perhaps part of its ranking stemed from the pressure on golfers on the last two holes.

But, I was really shocked by # 4's all time position.

This afternoon should be interesting.

Wayne_Freedman

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2006, 04:26:15 PM »
How about the total scoring?
Midway through Sunday, the leaders are at -4.
I am not expecting a birdie barrage through Amen corner, this year.

Instead of high scoring game, Augusta has created what appears to be a defensive battle.

One certainly cannot complain about the leader board, but is this for the better?


Jim Nugent

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2006, 01:52:28 AM »
With the tournament over, here are the updated stats.  I did some quick calculations of my own to round off the 2006 average strokes to two decimal places…

Hole      2006 rank   All-time rank
1            4  (4.25)         7  (4.23)

4            7  (3.21)         3  (3.29)

7            6  (4.22)        13  (4.14)

11          1  (4.49)         4  (4.28)

14         10 (4.18)           8  (4.19)
   
17          2  (4.28)        10  (4.16)

The big surprise to me is that 17 was the 2nd hardest hole in the tournament.  Still it was 0.2 of a stroke easier than number 11.    


TEPaul

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2006, 05:43:01 AM »
Never having been to ANGC it's a little hard to evaluate changes but from watching on TV for years I'd say the hole they've hurt is #11. It's become too one dimensional it seems---eg it seems they have to play it too defensively on the approach shot and obviously that's occured because they shut down too much on tee shot options.

The trees just planted down the right have apparently cut down a lot on the spectrum of options of one of the most strategically enigmatic holes perhaps ever done.

They say there's never been any consensus of opinion on how to approach that green and the fairway width of that hole is what made that possible (apparently designed with over 60 yards of fairway width in the LZs---and now down to around 30 yards).

Some say the best place to approach the green from is way over on the right but Lanny Wadkins' comment simply showed the hole's strategic enigma---eg he said he never agreed with that and that he always preferred to play it from way over on the left.

They need to do something to prevent such defensive approach shots on the hole that begins Amen Corner. They have to know what used to work on the hole and they should try to get back to that on #11.

Brad Klein

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2006, 08:13:28 AM »
The two most interesting holes in terms of angle of play and strategy are the ones they've never tinkered with badly, the 3rd and 12th.

By the way, how good was Tim Clark's bunker shot at the 18th hole? It was worth exactly $366,916.67.
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Brent Hutto

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2006, 08:49:45 AM »
By the way, how good was Tim Clark's bunker shot at the 18th hole? It was worth exactly $366,916.67.

Plus who knows how many World Ranking points plus it meant that if Phil had somehow encountered disasters on 17 and 18 it would be Clark in the playoff with Phil instead of that crowd at 4-under. Plus it meant outscoring Tiger Woods while in his group on Sunday, no telling when that might be a nice thing to know down the road one day. All in all, it was a great shot (especially given that Lanny almost had a conniption when he first hit it).

TEPaul

Re:How this year's ANGC changes have affected scoring
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 12:10:44 PM »
Tim Clark's bunker shot hole out on #18 sure was significant, and Tim Clark sure is an interesting spunky little tour pro---all 5'7" and 145lbs of him. I don't know that I'd say his bunker shot on #18 was all that good, though, other than the fact it went into the hole. I noticed a commentator or two wondered about it as soon as he hit it. It looked like he hit it so heavy it just kept rolling and rolling and eventually the hole got in the way. If he actually planned it like that---let's just say I sure am impressed. But it looked like "just one of those things".  ;)

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