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Jay Flemma

Pictures of Arcadia Bluffs
« on: March 23, 2006, 08:14:30 PM »
1)  Moonset over the course...sun just peeking its head over the horizon the other direction.


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The great rumbling 11th fairway

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The biarritz green at the terrific par-5 5th.

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« Last Edit: March 23, 2006, 08:16:46 PM by Jay Flemma »

David Neveux

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2006, 08:28:51 PM »
Jay, when did you take these photo's.  I absolutley cannot wait to get back and play this track.  I love this golf course.  Just thinking of number ten and eleven get my blood boiling.  Come on SPRING!!!  Thanks for the pic's!!!

D.P.N

Jay Flemma

Re:Pictures of Arcadia Bluffs
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2006, 08:32:04 PM »
These pix are from last october in the middle of the month...WHEN IT WAS 70 DEGREES OUT!!!
« Last Edit: March 23, 2006, 08:40:27 PM by Jay Flemma »

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2006, 10:14:54 PM »
If one were to consider a brief trip that included Arcadia Bluffs, Crystal Dunes and the Kingsley Club, what driving distances would be involved?

That really does sound interesting, right?!  :D

What else is in the neighborhood?

Jay Flemma

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2006, 10:37:36 PM »
Bill:

Here's the trip I did:

Day 1, fly in in the evening to traverse city.  Drive an hour east on the highway to overnight.

Day 1:  Lakewoods Shores (Gailes) in the AM - very walkable and old school, if a bit tight and watery on the front.

PM drive to Forest dunes, play forest dunes, stay traverse city.

Day 2 36 at High point.  or add a round  at any of the resort courses in the area.

Day 3 wake up really early.  drive the hour west to arcadia.  Get there before sunrise to film the light show.  Play there, then drive the 40 minutes to Crystal.

The day I did Arcadia/Crystal was the best golf day of my life...better than either day at Bandon, even though  Pac Dunes is my favorite course, the 36 holes + meeting Tom D was a joyous day I'll remember forever.

Ask Doak...I was so nervous on the 1st tee, I double crossed my first drive 80 yards left, then popped it up ten feet.  I settled down though and the short game made the day better. Played a sick chip on 13 from a downhill lie and rolled in an 80 footer on 18 from off the green.

Joe Hancock

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Re:Pictures of Arcadia Bluffs
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2006, 10:46:38 PM »
Bill,

You're 3 course choices are very good. They are all within 45 minutes or so of each other. Tarverse City is one option for lodging, but there are cabins and B&B's all over that part of the state if you want a more "Up North" experience.

Joe
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Bill_McBride

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 10:48:59 PM »
This sounds like a trip that must be made.

Ryan Farrow

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 10:49:34 PM »
just how fast are those greens. My brother and dad played there a little while ago and they were 3-4 putting like crazy. And they too brought back some amazing pictures.

Jfaspen

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 11:05:53 PM »
I can't wait to get back out to Arcadia this year.  Hope to see Kingsley as well.  Probably wait til the fall hope to catch a good day.

jf

Sean_A

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2006, 03:11:39 AM »
Jay

Your itinerary was very aggressive to land in Traverse then head to the sunrise side of the state only to drive back the next day after 36 on separate courses!  You must be some kind of nutter!

What did you think of Forest Dunes and The Gailes?

Ciao

Sean
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cary lichtenstein

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2006, 09:39:31 AM »
Bill:

If you want to extend that trip, you can play:

True North: Engh course an hour or so north of Traverse City

Grey Walls: About 3 hours north and west of True North

The Quarry at Giants Ridge: Hop a plane for a short flight to Duluth and play Jeff Brauer's wonderful course

Then drive about 3 hours to Minneapolis and go home. The must plays of the 3 are the last 2, if you want to add another course, which I haven't played, but looked good, add the Arthur Hills course at Bay Harbor, it has 3 nines and I hear 2 are worth playing. From what I've heard, it is pretty good, not great, nice accomodations and location is good and you can use that as a base for some of the courses + see Macinah Island.

Cary
« Last Edit: March 24, 2006, 09:40:48 AM by cary lichtenstein »
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Pictures of Arcadia Bluffs
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2006, 10:55:09 AM »
How does the Kingsley Club fit into the travel time wise and direction?

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2006, 10:56:30 AM »
Cary, it must be nice to be retired!   ;)

Jfaspen

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2006, 11:05:40 AM »
How does the Kingsley Club fit into the travel time wise and direction?

I think it's located very close to Crystal Downs which is 45 minutes North of Arcadia (I think).

Either way.. It seems to be a must play.. Unless your name is Tom and you refuse to recognize the course!

jf

Sean_A

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2006, 11:33:11 AM »
How does the Kingsley Club fit into the travel time wise and direction?

Tiger

Arcadia, Kingsley and Crystal Downs essentially form a triangle in which all three are fairly close to each other.  High Point and True North are slightly longer tangents from the triangle, but still very doable.

Ciao

Sean
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ed_getka

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2006, 11:47:39 AM »
John,
    Kingsley is 30-40 minutes southeast from CD. You want to be sure to get very good instructions to the course. The last mile or so is dirt road.
Bill,
   Kingsley is an absolute must see. The front nine is as good as anything you have ever seen. The back nine isn't bad either, but just doesn't quite grab me the same way. I will be making my semi-annual trip there this fall and even though I love Crystal Downs, it is Kingsley Club that brings the huge smile to my face when I think of traveling to Michigan.

Another place to think about seeing on a Michigan trip would be Lost Dunes by Doak if you want to see some VERY interesting greens. This would be a course to see if you fly in and out of Chicago, that you could stop in to see on your way up to Traverse City. Lost Dunes is right on the west coast of Michigan, down near the border with Indiana.
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Jay Flemma

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2006, 12:28:10 PM »
Cary:

You are absolutely right, it was remiss of me to forget True North.

Sean:  I had no get alot done in a short period of time.  Yes, there was some driving, but everything was within 2 hrs of each other.

Here's the link to my lakewood shores review:

http://jayflemma.blogspot.com/2005/10/lakewood-shores-resort-gailes-course.html

The skinny:

Aldridge's solid architecture is the primary reason the course remains firmly in the North Michigan rotation for travellers, even though the much larger resorts and newer designs like Forest Dunes and High Pointe command more attention.

Realizing that 20 mph winds are the norm, Aldridge makes use of the prevail in a north south fashion, playing long holes downwind and short tests upwind - avoiding crosswinds whenever possible as even 60 yd wide fairways are near impossible to hit in a gale. There are 18 flat lies on the whole course - one on each tee box. Greens and fairways will test players' skill at hook lies, fade lies and at all sorts of crazy angles. Not only is there a good variety of hole lengths, but even though the routing is a symmetrical seeming 36-36 with an even split of 4 par-3s and 4s, there are back to back par-5s in different directions at 7 and 8 that are nothing alike - one bisected twice by the burn, the other peppered with random fairway bunkers. The par threes appear quickly at 2 and 4, but then dont come back into the mix until the difficult pedestal green 12th.

If there are drawbacks, the topography of the property is flat and uninteresting. The site is not the most stunning natural plot - after all it's Michigan, not Colorado. Perhaps that is why Aldridge settled on an old school, old style design. Also, sadly, the course plays nowhere near as firm and fast as it should for the sandy soil on which links are meant to be built and the ground game suffers dramatically because of it. Most of the bump and run shots catch and hold in the longer fairway grass and collars. Also, several fairway bunkers need to be dug deeper and reclaimed. Nevertheless, many of the good bunkers that still remain admirably fill the pot bunker requirement of being merely small enough for one angry player, his ball and his wedge.

Here is Forest Dunes:

http://jayflemma.blogspot.com/2005/10/forest-dunes-gc-more-great-golf-in.html

Conditioning - Five and 1/2 stars (all ratings out of 7)
Design and strategy Four and 1/2 stars (Front nine Three stars, Back nine six stars)
Natural Setting: Five stars
Overall - Five stars
Value - Four stars. ($125 is too much for daily fee golf period.)


Jim Franklin

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2006, 12:34:50 PM »
Bill - I played all three in the same day last July last year. Crystal first, Arcadia second and finished it off with Kingsley at 6:00 (and that was with getting a little lost on the way). It was an awesome day and then stayed in the Kingsley cabins and played there the next morning again.
Mr Hurricane

Jay Flemma

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2006, 01:08:59 PM »
I heard really great things about Kingsley from Dan taylor, Jim.

Tell us some more about it?  What'd you think?

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2006, 01:43:19 PM »
It may be a bit of a drive from Arcadia-Kingsley, but I for one am not going back to lower Michigan without a stop at Angeles Crossing. ;D
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Jim Franklin

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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2006, 02:26:29 PM »
Jay -

As previously posted, the front nine is as good as it gets. I likened the experience to Sand Hills as I thought it was that good. Maybe not quite as good, but pretty close. I would play either anytime and be thrilled. There are some that didn't like 10 or 11, but I liked every hole. Some holes were certainly better, but I liked them all. Playing all three courses in one day was an overload to my senses, but what a day.
Mr Hurricane

Nick_Christopher

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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2006, 03:22:44 PM »
If anyone is looking to complete the triathalon, one bit of local advice is to make Arcadia or the Downs last of the evening to maximize the daylight off the lake.  It is light everywhere until almost 10pm that time of year, but with the sunlight reflecting off the lake, it makes twilight stretch a little longer, particularly at Arcadia.

If you arrive in T.C. in the evening. stay in T.C. Hit up Kingsley first thing in the a.m. It is 20 minutes South and easiest to not get lost coming from this direction.  Then head West over to Crystal - 45 minutes.  Latly, down to Arcadia 20 miles--half hour tops.  Stay night two in Frankfort with a stop at the Mayfair in Elberta for a burger after Arcadia.  Can't beat it for a day of golf at three great courses.

Jfaspen

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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2006, 03:36:17 PM »
Man..  

The combo of those 3 courses in one day has to be as good as almost any in the world.  

It's good to know it can be done.. I'll go for it someday!

jf

ed_getka

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2006, 04:17:24 PM »
There are no bad holes at Kingsley Club IMO. There are 18 cool greens at Kingsley with enough variety and interest to keep any GCA'er happy. #9 par 3 is a bit controversial as it is a tough green to get to the proper area. The two sets of tees set 90 degrees to each other make the hole play completely differently. #10 is the first hole where you come down off the eyepopping holes that you've played up until this point. There is nothing wrong with #10, it justs strikes one as a bit "flat". #11 is a fine par 3 but it just happens to take a back seat to the 3 par3's on the front nine. The course is fine the rest of the way through, with the exception of the second shot on #14 not requiring much decision-making other than to advance it as far as you want. The 18th fairway slopes down to the left so most drives will end up down in the short rough on the left side. These are just minor quibbles, and both holes have great greens. The green you just have to see is #13 which is off the charts cool in my book, but some find it unfair. This hole is a short par 4.
   
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Tim Pitner

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2006, 04:24:40 PM »
How easy/difficult is it to get on Crystal Downs and Kingsley Club?

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